Bye-Bye Midlife Comfort Zone!

Sarah Milken (00:00:04) - Hey peeps, welcome to the flexible, neurotic podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Sarah Milken. Yeah, you heard that right. I'm a real PhD doctor. Long, long ago. Like last fucking year, I was sitting in the midlife funk wondering, Was this it for me? That day I realized I needed to get off my ass and start my midlife remix. I dusted off my PhD, wiped the menopause, sweat off my forehead, grabbed my golden shovel and started digging deep to all my midlife bitches. It's not just luck, coffee and hormones that get you through your midlife remix. It's action steps. Let's do this. Hi, peeps. It's me again. Dr. Sarah Milken with a new miniso that I put together from my first ever Instagram live last week. Yes, I was freaking out. I have said no to every single Instagram live for the past almost three years, and I haven't done any of my own. I don't even know why. I feel like part of the reason is I thought, okay, well, if I'm going to spend all that time recording and asking questions and answering questions, I should just record a podcast.

Sarah Milken (00:01:16) - But there are benefits to doing Instagram lives, and you get to reach so many different types of people. ET cetera. ET cetera. So when Jessica Burek reached out to me from the fabulous Instagram platform, what the menopause, and said, Hey, do you want to do an Instagram live with me? I was like, Yep, fuck it. I'm just going to do it. I'm going to step out of my comfort zone, just like I always talk about. I'm going to press myself again today and just fucking do this. And I did it. This was a comfort zone pusher. I sat down with Jessica and we got into it and we got so many amazing DMS from women who are feeling seen, validated and celebrated in that menopause. Midlife fabulous kind of way with some Uggs on the side. Jessica is a former athlete and registered nurse and obviously the brains and heart behind what the menopause that has like almost 700,000 followers and a bazillion likes on all her reels. She's always had an interest in health and wellness.

Sarah Milken (00:02:21) - And when in perimenopause, she basically got taken completely by surprise. Naturally, her inspiration for creating this platform was providing a space for women to connect and turn it into a place where she helps women to reclaim their health, sense of self and vibrancy in this phase of life. She kind of just makes you laugh, cry, relate and all the things we discussed. So many things. Oh my God. It was everything from finding and reinventing yourself in midlife to empty nesting to health. And of course, my free fucking workshop. Let's talk midlife. I think when this episode comes out, it's the last day of my workshop, so the workshop is going to be behind us where we have connected on Zoom for one hour a day for three days with no filter and talk about all the real midlife shit getting into conversations, everything from overcoming fear and what getting more out of midlife means friendships, current research on what midlife women really need and what works. And now, as of the time this episode is coming out, this is basically being turned into an online experience.

Sarah Milken (00:03:32) - It's an online eight week experience with me called the Midlife Remix Table. Yup, the midlife remix table is a place where I and you are curating our midlife women, our midlife friends at a metaphorical and real lunch table on Zoom, where we're getting into midlife topics like we talked about empty nesting, menopause, midlife. What's next for us? All the outcomes that we're interested that we're craving as humans, wanting to feel seen and heard as midlife women. I know that not everyone got the chance to tune into that Instagram live on Sunday, so I decided to turn it into a podcast. Here we go. Okay, I lied. One more thing. If you want to sign up for my course, go to my Instagram linktree. It's at the top. It's called Eight Week Online Experience Midlife Brunch Table. You can also go to my website. It's the banner running across the top. Yup, yup, yup. Midlife remix table eight week experience with me. Okay, here we go with the Instagram live with Jessica.

Sarah Milken (00:04:42) - From what? The menopause.

Jessica Barac (00:04:43) - So I'm Jessica Barrett. From what? The menopause. And this is the lovely, wonderful Dr. Sarah Milken of the flexible neurotic. She is so amazing. If you're not following her Instagram, go and follow it. Now, she's just so raw, so relatable. She's just always bringing funny stories, making me laugh and just kind of sharing her way through midlife, which we just love. She she's the host of a podcast, the flexible Neurotic, which is basically brings together the best and the worst, not the worst expert, the best experts of midlife and talks through, you know, everything that we're facing at this time. And the best thing that I love about it is she kind of condenses it down into these very actionable nuggets so that you can actually take away learnings from the podcast and and put it into your life, which is basically what we need. So welcome.

Sarah Milken (00:05:43) - Thank you so much. When you reached out to me, I know we've done a zoom before also, I was like, I've never done an Instagram live.

Sarah Milken (00:05:51) - I've said no to every single one and I'm going to pull myself out of the comfort zone. I'm just going to fucking do it. So here we are. I'm so excited. Oh my God. And I love your platform too. I mean, I'm like, looking for your posts every day. Like, I need a laugh. I need something to relate to. And you have this ability to curate all of these amazing nuggets of midlife into one place where I'm just like, scrolling left you so good.

Jessica Barac (00:06:17) - Thank you. Well, it started actually out of just a cathartic way for myself to kind of try to navigate my own experience and my own failings and just like, what the fuck is going on here? Let's laugh about it.

Sarah Milken (00:06:30) - So you have to I mean, it's like you're either laughing or crying or sweating. It's like you don't even have an option. Exactly. We may as.

Jessica Barac (00:06:38) - Well have fun.

Sarah Milken (00:06:38) - Right? Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:06:40) - Oh, so I'd love to just jump in to kind of your story and, you know, your, your your message and everything is really about kind of reinvention and kind of finding yourself in midlife.

Jessica Barac (00:06:53) - And I'd love to hear where were you five years ago, three years ago, and how how did your kind of lived experience inspire, you know, what you've built today and what you're doing in the world?

Sarah Milken (00:07:07) - Great question. That could be five hours, but I will condense it. So the way I describe it is my whole life I've been kind of this performance based school nerd. Get these grades, go to this school, do this, do that, check all the boxes, not because my parents made me, but that's just who I was as a person. My brother, on the other hand, he had a totally different, totally different ballgame going on. He was like the friends, the party, all the things. And so for me, I was like the school nerd. So I did all the things. I went to an Ivy League college. I got my PhD in educational psychology. I grew up in a house with a working mom who was a CEO. And I've told the story before.

Sarah Milken (00:07:51) - My grandmother came on a boat from Yugoslavia when she was two. She never finished high school. She ended up she went to night school and ended up becoming the president of Gucci, which is crazy. And so I come from this like long line of career women. So I think in my mind, like, I didn't know anything else. That's what I was going to do. Like I was going to get all these degrees and become a career woman. And I was teaching in the Graduate School of Education at USC when I was finishing up my PhD and I had my first kid and I didn't want to leave and I had never planned for that. I didn't even consider it for a nanosecond and everybody was like, Wait, what do you mean you're not going to work? And I said, I guess not. If staying at home with my kid is not working. And I think my parents were disappointed, a little judgmental, but they were like, okay, we'll go with this. And my husband was kind of he didn't care.

Sarah Milken (00:08:51) - He's like, He was very cool. He's like one of those guys who's like, Work don't work as long as you're happy, then the house is happy, so let's go with that. So I was a stay at home mom for 18 years and I loved every second of it. I mean, believe me, there were fucking Groundhog Days out the wazoo where I was like, I can't do this day one more time. But at the same time, I had so much fulfillment from it. Do I? Sometimes I'm like, Wait, was I like healing some kind of, like, ancestral trauma because my mom was a working mom that I don't know because a lot of who I am is because my mom is who she is and was who she was. So it's kind of a mixed bag like it is for everyone. I so when I was 45, which was three years ago, my son was 16 and my daughter was 14, and I was like, I can't do this for one more minute.

Sarah Milken (00:09:48) - They don't need me as much anymore. What am I doing? I need something that's just my own. And at the time I was serving on like, school boards and like, philanthropic stuff, but it wasn't my own. And I'm a pretty creative person. I don't draw or paint or anything like that, but just in terms of like ideas and personal expression that I really thought like, what could I do where I could control my time, create something for myself that had nothing to do with anyone in my family or my friends or anything that was just my own. And I thought, Oh, I'll write a book. And my husband was like, Please don't write a book. Like, he's like, that's like the opposite of what you need to do. You're trying to get out of the house not sort of, you know, kind of hide in your room and write and reflect. You need to, like, go out. So I went on a walk with my friend Angela Nasrin, who lives in Los Angeles, and she's a writer, philanthropist.

Sarah Milken (00:10:48) - She runs visionary women. And she said, You need a life coach. I was like, I live in LA. I don't even know what a life coach is like. What are you talking about? She's like, Just trust me. So I got some names of life coaches. I hired one. Her name is Carrie Rose, and two weeks later started and I was like, Oh, that's helpful. Like here, I want to do this, like, mid-life rebrand for myself. And now we're all locked up in our houses. But it ended up being a gift because it was a lot of time for self reflection. And I my kids were busy doing school online and I had the time to like think about what my skills were. I was like, okay, I like to read, I like to research the fuck out of things. I like to talk to people and I ask questions like crazy. So what can I do with that? Oh, I'll start a podcast. How do you start a podcast? I don't know.

Sarah Milken (00:11:46) - And during Covid, like you can't really meet with anyone. And half the people are responding to emails and other people aren't. So I just started Googling. How do you start a podcast? How do you know? And it sounds so basic. Yeah, but that's how it was. It really. And I'm lucky because my husband is like very good with technology, not that he's ever done. The podcast before, but I was like, I need to record this. I need to figure out what I'm doing and all the things. So it was pretty. I think some people have this idea that I don't know that I went to this one stop shop and they're like, This is how you start a podcast and these are the 17. It's not like that. Most things aren't like that, as you know. It starts messy and it starts organic and you just like try shit and you're like, Oh, that didn't work. That was kind of scary. And then at the same time I had I was a social media virgin.

Sarah Milken (00:12:40) - No one like can believe that I'm on social media. I didn't have Facebook. I did not have Instagram, not even personally, like never been on it. And so I thought to myself, okay, so I'm going to start a podcast and not have an Instagram account. That's not possible. So I made my kids help me start an Instagram account and they're like, What are you doing it? I had no idea what I was doing and I just sent a text out to 50 people and I was like, Hey, I started a podcast during Covid and I the episodes coming out. Oh, and by the way, I have a new Instagram account. Can you follow it?

Jessica Barac (00:13:20) - Please follow me. Yeah. And everybody was.

Sarah Milken (00:13:23) - Like, Wait, Sarah has an Instagram account? And literally that's what it was. It was like five followers, ten followers, 50 followers, and it just started building and building. And I thought, Oh my God, like, do I have something here? And I think for me, it was just finding the thing that made me want to get out of bed in the morning outside of my children and my husband.

Sarah Milken (00:13:52) - You know, it didn't feel oppressive to me. It felt exciting and hard. Yes. And most things that are like really juicy and meaningful are the things that are a little bit hard.

Jessica Barac (00:14:04) - Yeah, the changes and the challenge. Yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:14:07) - And so I literally almost three years ago just started putting out podcast episodes, putting out social media. I didn't have a PR person, I didn't have an Instagram strategist. It was like, let's just keep throwing shit at the wall and see what's working. And I'm still doing that. I mean, you're like, Come on Instagram live. I'm like, okay, I've never done that before, but I'll do it right now. So I'm constantly trying to test myself. And there's it sounds glamorous, but there's some days where it's not and it feels really hard. And I'm like, I want to cry. I can't do this, you know? But then overall, it has given me a platform for myself with so much meaning outside of my family, like just for me and I think for the people who have followed my Instagram, they've seen that my firstborn, Jake, my 19 year old, just went off to college two weeks ago.

Sarah Milken (00:15:07) - So I kind of preplanned this. I thought, okay, they're going to start leaving the house. And I'm my husband has a career in 67 hobbies, and I'm not a hobby person yet. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. I need something that's for me. Otherwise, I'm going to be texting my son every five minutes asking him if he changed his sheets. So. That's that's the short that's the short version of the story.

Jessica Barac (00:15:37) - I love it. I love it. I love you. You speak about the so you call it your mid-life remix and love this kind of idea of of, you know, kind of getting to that place in midlife where you're not really who you were before you or somebody different, but you don't really know who you are yet. And can you speak, I guess, to, you know, the Midlife remix and what that kind of means to you?

Sarah Milken (00:16:04) - Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of women in this age group because a lot of people ask me, Well, what's midlife? And I think that there really isn't a specific age.

Sarah Milken (00:16:15) - And as we know, we're all living much longer. So the midlife runway is becoming much longer. But in my mind, it's any time I would say 35 plus where you're looking for some kind of shift or pivot, whatever, whatever that might look like. And I think that with the physiological and the psychological changes that kind of come upon us, sort of like puberty and there's no way to stop it or control it, I mean, there's obviously ways to make it better, but it just comes and you're like, What the fuck is this? Um, and there's this idea and feeling that it's all happening to you, it's all happening to us and it's just being pushed down on us. And that's kind of where this idea of like midlife crisis comes. It's like, this is happening to me and I'm drowning. And I thought, well, what if we tried to approach this in a way where we have agency where it's not, it's just happening to us, but we actually have intention and control and we can make things happen for ourselves.

Sarah Milken (00:17:21) - Absolutely. So in my mind, Midlife remix implies a sense of agency. Like, I can fucking do something about this. Like I don't have to feel like shit every single day. I don't have to feel invisible. I don't have to feel irrelevant. Like I can go and research HRT, I can get my hormones in order. It's not obviously an easy one stop shop, but it's the agency and self advocacy. No one is fucking coming to save us. Exactly. And that is the bottom line to this whole thing. Yeah. Believe me, I say this a million times. I waited. I wanted my husband to save me. I was like, Wait. He went to business school. He has a career. Like, I'm going to come home one day after dropping off the kids at school. And he's like, Sarah, I have this newly reinvented identity for you. That never fucking happened because no one else can do it for you. Yeah, and that was my realization in this.

Sarah Milken (00:18:20) - And I think that's sort of how the podcast came to be because I thought there are so many women in my position itching for that something. It's like, you want to feel new, you want to feel relevant, you don't want to feel like the old doormat, you want to feel visible again. And I think that this idea of the midlife remix is, yes, it's shitty. These things are happening inside my brain and body and they're real. Don't fucking tell me that they're not real. Don't let one more doctor tell me that, you know, it's just par for the course. Like, No, I'm sorry. There's no par for the course. There are solutions out there.

Jessica Barac (00:18:58) - Absolutely.

Sarah Milken (00:18:59) - And there's mixed bags of solutions, but it's finding what works for you. And if something doesn't work, you have agency. You go to the next doctor. Yeah. And then and that's what I've tried to do is I've created this podcast to kind of dig up all the golden nuggets from all these different experts and all these different things like midlife nutrition, intermittent fasting, like, I don't know, all sorts of you're dry vagina, like all these different things.

Sarah Milken (00:19:32) - Like anything that would be interesting to me, I know will be interesting to my listeners because we're all in this together and we're all feeling the same things and we all want to feel like you're not alone, that there's other people who feel really shitty when their kids go off to college and it's not embarrassing. It's a fact. Yeah. And let's talk about these facts and let's kind of do it in a funny and relatable way. Yeah, I put my husband under the bus, I throw my kids under the bus and everyone everyone's like, What's happening with her? But I think the relatability factor because, yes, there are so many celebrities and huge influencers in this space who are talking about menopause and really helping to change that narrative. And it's so helpful and amazing. And it's also really cool to see people like you and me, just regular, everyday people talking about the same things because. There's a relatability factor. It's like, Oh, I know Jessica. I know Sarah. She's like a normal regular person and she's going through this too, and she feels like shit too.

Sarah Milken (00:20:41) - And she feels really good about the fact that she just figured out how to do an Instagram live even though her husband was hovering over her and getting pissy, you know? So I think the real person part of this whole thing in platforms like yours and mine is really healing for people because it's like these are everyday people having the same issues. I think that's the thing.

Jessica Barac (00:21:05) - I think so many of us feel like, What the fuck is happening? Like you don't. Suddenly you're like, Am I going crazy? Am I having a mental breakdown? Like, seriously, like what is happening? And then to kind of understand and see that, okay, so many women are going through this and we just don't we haven't in the past talked about it that much, you know, and you just it's so I just have so many women messaging all the time like, oh, this is so helpful. You're helping. This helps me get through the day knowing that other women that I'm not the only one. I'm not alone in this.

Jessica Barac (00:21:41) - This is completely normal part that we've just not spoken about. And what I've started thinking about, I just had this thought the last couple of days is like, could we redefine this as our power era? You know, could we become more powerful physically? You know, we know that we're meant to do the weights. We're meant to, you know, not meant to, But it's better for us. It's good for us. You know, could we, you know, be more powerful in our body, in our minds? Can we become more resilient, you know, all these could we, you know, be more powerful in connecting with other people who are like minded? Like you talk about the midlife brunch table, you know, just, um, how can we empower ourselves? And it does come down to this self-advocacy and, and taking agency, but kind of framing it in a more powerful way. Do you know what I mean?

Sarah Milken (00:22:33) - No, I love that. And that's what I'm trying to do.

Sarah Milken (00:22:37) - And I think you are, too. It's like, Hey, come and join my midlife brunch table. High school is fucking over where everyone was like me. It was like, you can't sit here and you have to wear this. And if you want to be part of the in-group, you have to do this. Yeah, but I feel like by the time we're in midlife, it's like we fucking earn the right to be who we want to be no matter what that is. Yeah. And we get to choose who our friends are most of the time, especially as our kids are leaving the house and we're not having to, like, be part of this friend, mom friend group or this carpool team or whatever. Yeah, it's like this. It's like this new time where we get to redefine who we want to be, who we want to be with, where we get meaning from. I mean, I have friends. I always say this who are like playing mahjong and pickleball and doing all of these fun things that they never thought that they would do before.

Sarah Milken (00:23:28) - Love that. And they're really bringing kind of this new energy to themselves and like the dumb weights, as I call them on my Instagram, fuck, Like, it's like, Oh my God. And you sort of have to have some humor with it. Like I'll say to my husband, trainer, I'll go, Do I have to do this for the rest of my life? This is like such a project, you know, And don't lie about it. Like, I'm not one of those people who's like, I love working out and I'm getting so many endorphins from this. I'm like, okay, I'm doing this. Peter Attia told me to do this. He told me that I'm going to live longer. He told me that my brain's going to stay in better shape. Yeah. And I think that's the thing also is there's so much information out there. Yeah. Like you could scroll Instagram for weeks and find someone who tells you to intermittent fast, don't intermittent fast, do weights, do slow cardio, all these things.

Sarah Milken (00:24:27) - And you kind of sometimes go, Oh my God, fuck, I'm so overwhelmed. Like, I don't know what to do. So I feel like with my podcast and my platform, I'm not telling you to intermittent fast astronaut, intermittent fast. And I'm not trying to confuse people bringing too many ideas to the table, but it's like, Hey you guys, here are some of the strategies that are working in real life. For a lot of people, they may not be right for you, but just listen about it. Try it, see what works for you. Because what works for one person may not work for the other person. Like I just interviewed Kim Shapiro, the nutritionist, and she's a very different approach to this. She's not bringing home like the intermittent fasting. She's not saying don't do it, but she's like, you have to listen to your own body and really tune into what makes you feel safe and work from that place of personal safety. And I think this that last episode really resonated with a lot of people because they were like, Wow, I never saw it from that perspective.

Sarah Milken (00:25:31) - Yeah. So I. Thing for me, bringing all these experts together with my own personal kind of experience has really created a place where it's like, I'll take a little of this, I'll take a little of that. Sarah is doing the dumb fucking weights. Maybe I'll try to do that and really just connecting with what works for you and not feeling like a failure if it does it.

Jessica Barac (00:25:56) - Yes. Progress over perfection. Yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:26:00) - Because there are weeks where I do weights three times a week and then there's like a week or two or I'm like, Fuck that. I just can't do it, you know? And it's giving yourself that grace of like, not every day is going to feel great and that's okay.

Jessica Barac (00:26:17) - That's okay.

Sarah Milken (00:26:17) - There are days where I'm like, in my pajamas till 3 p.m.. Yeah. You know, and in my bed. Yeah. Or whatever. And that's all okay. And that's sort of what I'm trying to do here is like, Hey, come hang out at my midlife brunch table where everyone has their own opinion and they're all okay.

Sarah Milken (00:26:37) - You can get Botox, you can skip the Botox, you can do your roots, you can let your roots go gray. We don't give a fuck. Yeah, do you?

Jessica Barac (00:26:45) - Yeah. It's everybody's personal journey, right? You know, whether it comes to nutrition or exercise or, you know, beauty, whatever aesthetics, whatever, it's, you know, it is a person very personal and whatever feels good in your body, whatever feels good for you, whatever's good for your journey and your soul and your being, you know, do that. Yeah, we.

Sarah Milken (00:27:05) - All yeah, it's like we're all looking to feel nourished, you know? We want to feel like we're loved. We want to feel safe. We want to feel like we have meaning. And we also want some novelty. Like they say, the research shows that every 5 to 7 years we're seeking novelty. That's why people have affairs and, you know, all of these things. Yes. Novelty and so interesting with novelty comes being scared and doing it anyway.

Sarah Milken (00:27:35) - Yeah. You know, because if something's new, it tends to be a little bit scary. Like the first day you go on a ten mile hike instead of a five mile hike, or you, you know, do 10,000 steps instead of 2000 steps. And you never thought that you could possibly do that. But there has to be there's like a little element of fear. Yeah. And that's what this whole journey has been for me is just putting myself out there knowing that I could potentially fail. And I have. Yeah, I'll try things. I'm like, Fuck, that didn't work. Oh yeah. But that doesn't mean I close shop. Yes. I mean, I might have a few tears. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:28:16) - And you learn from it. Like, you know, I mess up all the time and. But let's normalize failure. Let's normalize. Let's normalize learning from it.

Sarah Milken (00:28:26) - I make my kids and I say this too, like on my podcast, I make my kids do shit that they've never done before.

Sarah Milken (00:28:33) - I'm like, Oh, Jake, you should really take that ceramics class in Marin. You know that like soccer and everyone, they're like, What? But we make our kids do shit that's uncomfortable. They don't know the people on the team they've never played before, all the things. But then when it comes to ourselves, we don't put those same expectations. We want it. We want to know how to do it in advance. We want to be perfect in advance and it doesn't work that way.

Jessica Barac (00:29:00) - But it's also, you know, you talk about the hamster wheel and it is also that kind of it's that, you know, like staying in that in your comfort zone, right? You're never like if you're just staying in the comfort zone constantly and you are on this hamster wheel, it's very difficult to kind of expand beyond like, of course, you're going to get to a point where you're just like, My life sucks. I really feel unhappy. I don't feel fulfilled. And Borders Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:29:27) - Like yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:29:28) - And I think I think like I said before I think the hamster wheel in the routine creates a safety for us. Yeah. Which is great. We want predictability in our lives. We don't want every day to be a shit show. Yeah, but within that structure of working out and taking care of ourselves and doing all the things, like I said, there has to be some sense of novelty, some sense of taking yourself a little closer to the edge of the next new thing. Otherwise there's no growth. Growth is on the other side of hard. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:30:02) - Exactly.

Sarah Milken (00:30:03) - You know, I mean, I'm my son is like, you know, I like dropped him off in Philadelphia and I'm like, okay, I'll see you at the end of October, you know, And he's figuring out his way. And I kind of feel like midlife is a little bit like that, too. It's like he's figuring out his way there and I'm figuring out my new way here at home. Without him here.

Jessica Barac (00:30:26) - Yeah. How's it going? But that's about it.

Sarah Milken (00:30:31) - Like I said, there's. There's days where I'm like, I got this, I fucking got this. Yeah. And then there's other days where I'm like, Where is he? Yeah, this feels so weird. Like, he's not at the dinner table. Like, yesterday we had Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, and he wasn't there. It was weird. It was like, we're FaceTiming him, but it's not the same thing. You know, even for my daughter, it's like we go to temple and like, he's not there and he's part of our. He's part of our routine. Yeah. And so it's kind of adjusting and creating a new routine without him here, you know? So it's just finding the new routines and being okay with some of the changes and those hard feelings and kind of saying yourself like, Yes, this is hard, but I'm going to be okay. Yeah. But having said that, it's also really helpful that I have something of my own that I can focus on or I would be driving him to the brink of insanity or killing my husband.

Sarah Milken (00:31:39) - I love it because I need to have my brain occupied or I hyper focus on my new shot. Yes. So exactly. I'm like, oh, you haven't changed your sheets in two weeks. That's good. You know, I saw a picture of him. He sent me a picture. He was like, he put the trash can, like, into this, like, shower thing. And I was like, Why are you giving the trash can a shower? And he goes, Well, we sort of gave up on trash bags for a while. And I was like, You know, I don't need to know any more about that. Thank you. Yeah, Do you? I'm totally happy that you're cleaning the can instead of just I might have just thrown it in the dumpster and gone to CVS and. But a new trash can. But whatever it's been, it's definitely been an adjustment. I think when my second one leaves, that's going to be like a full a full next step for sure.

Sarah Milken (00:32:34) - And even my husband, who has this ability to compartmentalize and not feel all the feelings at the same time, it's like, whoa, this is really hard. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:32:44) - Yeah. You know? Yeah. So how were you? I mean, have you found any are you doing anything for, you know, there's so many people going through the same thing right now with, you know, either the half emptiness or the emptiness. Like, have you found any strategies that are working for you that you know, is kind of helping you to kind of move through this time and kind of, I don't know, feel some sense of, okay, I've got this. This is this is a normal part of.

Sarah Milken (00:33:16) - Yeah, I mean, yes, I basically what I've done is I've, I have a group of friends. They're not all connected, but there's like some who are like full empty nest. There are some who are half empty nest. And so I've really tried to like, make sure that I have like a lunch, a dinner, like I have something on the books for that week that I can kind of look forward to.

Sarah Milken (00:33:40) - That's kind of like my, ah, therapeutic little session. So my friend Melissa, her daughter went off to school and her son is at home still the same age as my kids. So we like talk about how especially for her because, you know, girls and their moms, it's like they would she would be like, what do you think of this outfit? You know, my son never asked me that. But, you know, she described it as like she's like, oh, my God. I feel like I'm, like, missing a limb. Yeah. And another mom who sent one of her daughters off to college is, like she said, the same exact thing. She's like, I literally feel like I got dropped from the group chat, you know? And I. I know what I know what that feels like. And so when you're with other people who are experiencing the same things, you're like, Wow, okay, I am not the only one. And I think in terms of like specific strategies, I think making dates to look forward to is you're not like at home every single night for seven nights thinking about it and during the day where you have these markers in the week of like, oh, I'm looking forward to that.

Sarah Milken (00:34:53) - Yeah, exactly. And I think having things to look forward to really helps with the kind of monotony of like, He's not here. Yeah, he's not here. Where is he? Because kids do fill a lot of our daily space. Yeah. In terms of like mind share, just thinking about them in the back of your mind, where are they, when are they coming home? But also just like the everyday life stuff that takes up a lot of your time. And then when one's gone, I'm like, Oh, I have some extra time here. This feels like really weird. I will say that I made him. Put his read receipts on for tax. Okay. Yeah, I think that's a nice little strategy because sometimes he can't respond because he's doing something. Yeah, but then I know he saw. Yes. And so that's kind of our deal. You don't have to respond every time, but I just need to know that you saw it.

Jessica Barac (00:35:53) - Yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:35:53) - Our other deal is, is if you send a photo, you don't have to text words.

Sarah Milken (00:35:59) - Yes.

Jessica Barac (00:36:00) - Okay.

Sarah Milken (00:36:01) - Yeah. Like it's a proof of life.

Jessica Barac (00:36:03) - It's like.

Sarah Milken (00:36:03) - So he's like.

Jessica Barac (00:36:05) - Like the deal app for your money.

Sarah Milken (00:36:08) - So that's been my other strategy because especially boys, they know they're not into the chit chat and the texting back and forth. And sometimes he's like, Look, if I fucking text her, she's going to ask me 19 questions and I don't want to do that. So he'll just be like, Here's a picture. I hope that lasts for, you know, it's like three days of content with a picture. So I think that's helpful. And I think another thing that I talk about is this whole last year, senior year, I've called it the year of last. Yes. So every time there was something that was going to be the last thing I would really try to like treasure the moment, take a photo. And so I kind of made a little photo album on my phone of the Year of Last. And I always say to people like, if you didn't do it in the process, you can do it retrospective retroactively.

Sarah Milken (00:36:56) - Like you can go back to your last year and kind of like pick 10 or 15 photos that sort of represent that senior year to you. And you also because you also feel like a sense of reward and fulfillment, like, wow, like I created this creature on the planet and now they're off out of the house at a job or in college, like you've launched this bird into the universe and how amazing that is. And so it's kind of like reframing it and flipping it to, well, like, I did a good job. Yeah, I did the parenting that I intended to do. Maybe it wasn't perfect, but I did it. I launched this human being into the world. So I think the kind of review of the year of last, like this kind of Pinterest cathartic way strategy of kind of aggregating your emotions and remembering it's like a scrapbook. And I'm not a Scrapbooker.

Jessica Barac (00:37:59) - That's really nice. I think what you've also touched on there is something that you also spoke about in the, you know, like the Carrie Bradshaw Archetype podcast, where it's about friendships, you know, And um, so many of us kind of we've had friends throughout our lives and, you know, I've definitely personally have found that you kind of shed people not in a negative way, but you just don't vibe with people anymore.

Jessica Barac (00:38:26) - You're just not, you know, you don't have the same trajectory or the same kind of shared, I don't know, vision and I don't know. I can't put it into words. But you, you know, you do kind of lose some people and there's this kind of and what you're doing really with your, you know, midlife table and all of this stuff is just, you know, bringing people together and, you know, how can we make relationships and connection really important? How can we prioritize it? And we know that's important for our brain health. And, you know, all the research around Alzheimer's, you know, connection and community is so fundamental to our long term well-being. And so what I love about what you're doing is you're, you know, really trying to kind of bring that into a lived experience.

Sarah Milken (00:39:16) - Well, thank you. I appreciate that. I really feel like by starting this podcast and creating this community and being a very accessible person, like so many people messaged me and they're like, oh my God, you actually, like responded to me.

Sarah Milken (00:39:30) - And I said, Yeah, I'm a real person and I'm the only person in my Instagram. And like, if you're getting a response, it's from me personally. And I think at the end of the day, we all want to feel seen and heard. Nobody wants to feel fucking invisible. It's the worst. It's like being in high school again. You're like, Oh, that bitch didn't see me. Like she didn't even say hi. Like, am I invisible here? Yeah. And I think this idea of the midlife brunch table, like, I envision this like I had a live event, my first live event, and it was called the Midlife Baby Shower experience. And I had all these women fly in from different states, one from the UK, and we had the most meaningful, beautiful day. And if you asked all the people who were there, they were like, Sarah, this was the most exquisite day ever. And the best part of the day was the midlife brunch table conversation, because I curated a bunch of topics that come up in my.

Sarah Milken (00:40:31) - Podcast in my DMS all the time. I handed everyone cards, everybody picked the topic that they felt really resonated with them. We talked about it, I curated the conversation, brought it back together, and people were like, I feel so seen and it's not like a tangible, like at the end of two hours you're going to make $60,000. It's not like that kind of tangible outcome. It's an outcome of connection and feeling seen, and it's not something that you can buy. It's something that you have to be present for. So like with the workshop I have coming up next week, the free workshop and an eventual online course where it's not really a course, it's an online experience. It's a version of the live event that I had at my house. But there was I got 493 DMS from women who were like, I'm so sorry, I can't come to your live event, but please do an online version of this. And I'm in. And so I'm listening and I'm aggregating all of these messages of what people are wanting and I'm trying to really make it happen for people because I know what it feels like to want to make new friends in midlife, to want to bring that new energy to like my midlife brunch table.

Sarah Milken (00:41:58) - And a lot of people will say can say like, but it's not in real life. It's virtual, all of these things. But some of my greatest friends of recent in this midlife remix are people like you that I've met on Instagram, like they're real people with real lives and they're real friendships. And all of the women who came to my live event, we're on a group chat. I love it and nobody abuses it. We talk every day or every two days. Someone will say like, Oh my God, I'm having this surgery. Or my son just went to medical school or whatever. And it's just knowing that you have this other group of people who know you exist and are cheering for you. Yes. And they don't have to be your neighbor and they don't have to be part of your carpool team. It's just it's like these other midlife energetic beings who who feel you and who want good for you. And I feel like with the workshop next week that I've had like so many people sign up for, I'm like amazed.

Sarah Milken (00:43:07) - I feel like women are coming together and saying, like, I'm in, I'm in. Yeah. And all the invisible boundaries are coming down, you know? It's like it doesn't matter what neighborhood you live in, it doesn't matter what school your kids go to, it doesn't matter. All of those things don't matter because you're you're sitting there and you're just. Jessica Yeah. And you're just. Sarah And that's all you need to be. We don't need to know, you know, what city you live in and what your address is and what any of those things. It's just you as a midlife human being and what who wants more? And what's beautiful about that too, is like I always talk about like a lot of us want more and a lot of our Moors are different. Yes. You know, some women have really satisfying careers, but they don't have friendships. Some women have a million friends, but they don't have that kind of self expression or career piece or thing. That's just for them.

Sarah Milken (00:44:16) - Yeah, and that's another thing that I found at my live event is there were women who are full time career women and there were women who are stay at home moms for a lack of a better term. I know there's a lot of whatever controversy about the terms, but what was interesting is I think all of us thought that that was going to be a big deal, that the experiences would be so different. But at the end of the day, on both sides of the fence, everybody was like, it didn't fucking matter whether you worked, you didn't work all the things. At the end of the day, we're all women who want to feel seen and heard and who want to feel good in their own bodies and skin and want to feel connected and not alone. Yeah, that's the bottom line. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:45:05) - I'm just seeing one of these messages and somebody saying, What if you're 38 without kids and menopausal? Are you included? Are too young. You are always included. Always included. And you don't even have to have kids.

Jessica Barac (00:45:18) - You don't even have to have kids.

Sarah Milken (00:45:19) - You know, everybody you know, a lot of people have said like, well, I don't have kids. I have a nieces and nephews and all the things. It's not necessarily about the kids or the kids. It's about changing. Yeah, You know, there's aging. Parents like aging parents is a huge topic and all of a lot of us are in that, including me. And you've seen your parents in a certain way for your life, and now suddenly you're seeing them in a different way and you're needed in a different way. And so there's a lot of a lot of women who who are in my platform who are like, what do I do about that? How am I present for myself and my own children? How am I present for, you know, issues that my parents are facing? And I have two kids in college. Like it's like you're wearing so many hats at the same time and you also have to take care of yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:46:12) - And I think it's funny because I always say that midlife self-obsession is approved and it's not midlife self-obsession in, like a narcissistic way. Yeah, it's a way of you finding something inside of you that feels so nourishing outside of your children and your family unit. Yeah, it's like something that you want to get out of bed for in the morning. Um, something that you don't dress. Yes. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:46:46) - Yeah. It's like.

Sarah Milken (00:46:48) - Yeah, I interviewed Eve Roski and I have the book sitting right here called Find Your Unicorn Space. And she talks about how finding these spaces of connection and curiosity is what we're all craving. And I think coming together as women who are all craving this connection really kind of brings down all the walls. If you work, you don't work this the that all the things, it's like we all want to feel visible.

Jessica Barac (00:47:21) - I think that's the other thing too, is that so many of us and you know this what I have experienced is that you get to the point where there's this kind of whisper of there's more like, I need more, I want more.

Jessica Barac (00:47:36) - I'm lacking some kind of fulfillment or there's something missing and you don't necessarily know. You might not necessarily know right now what it is. But I think the exciting thing about, you know, midlife and kind of seeing it as the new kind of power era or seeing it as something that we're growing into and expanding and and evolving is that we can just take take a step every day to make it happen, to figure out what it is. And I think that you're actually doing some of that with your with your program or your experiences just helping kind of with women figuring out what it is that they want and how to kind of get there. Could you tell us more about that?

Sarah Milken (00:48:19) - Yeah, I mean, look, I have the three day workshop coming up next week. It's free. It's one hour a day, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. And each day is like a theme. The first day is like emptiness. What the fuck now kind of thing. And it doesn't mean you have to have children.

Sarah Milken (00:48:36) - It's just sort of like you're at that next stage in life and you're itching for something new. Like, I have a friend who's a recent friend who came to my midlife experience. She's an executive at a big company and, you know, she makes good money, She has amazing benefits. She's climb the corporate ladder. And at the same time, she's like, I need something else. I need to add something into my life. And like I said before, no one's going to tell you, okay, Jessica, you should really write that book. No one's a mind reader. But I think coming together and talking about what our kind of needs are, our desires, thinking about what you're even good at. Yeah. Like some people are like, I don't even know what I'm good at. Yeah, but so it's coming together and like, doing some of these, like, thought provoking kind of reflections and exercises. Like when I started with the life coach, I was like, I don't know if I'm good at anything.

Sarah Milken (00:49:35) - Like I'm good at school. Like, that's what I knew. But it was like digging down deeper of like, okay. And it's not it doesn't have to be specific Things like, Oh, I'm a really good chef, but it was like, I really like to read. Well, that's not like a special skill, but I like it. I really like to research. Like that's kind of random. I really like to engage with people. Okay, well, let's think about what those things are that you really like and let's think about what what kind of real thing, tangible thing that you could do with those skill sets. Yeah, it's like it's basically like Camp Midlife Remix. Yes. You know what I mean? Yeah. And having other women comment and be like, Oh my God, like you should totally start that stitching or the Pinterest scrapbooking thing. You know, there's women who have so many different interests and skill sets, but they don't know how to turn it into like a tangible thing that they can work on every day.

Sarah Milken (00:50:41) - And I think that that's a beautiful part of one of these online courses or experiences that I'm going to be doing is that we're going to get into those things and everyone's everyone will have a different thing. Yeah, but the feelings are the same. Like you're feeling scared, you feel like you don't want to put something out in the world until it's perfect. I think another key part of all of this is the willingness to learn on the go. Yeah, like can you kind of wing it and be okay with that? Like I said to you, you were like, Do you want to do a live? And I was like, Ah, I've said no for three years, but sure, I'll try now. Yeah, yeah. But it was sort of like I might get on there and not know how to do it. Yeah. And like, can I be okay with that? And just be honest about it?

Jessica Barac (00:51:33) - Like.

Sarah Milken (00:51:34) - Yeah. And I think that's the beautiful part of this, like midlife part of our lives.

Sarah Milken (00:51:39) - Like you said, the power era is everyone most of us want. To feel perfect and that we know exactly what we're doing. But part of the beautiful piece to all of this journey is being okay with just being like, I don't fucking know. Yeah, I don't even know how to do that. And I'm going to be honest with Jessica and I'm going to say I don't know how to do it, but I'm going to try. Yeah. And if it doesn't work out, I'll yell at my husband to help me, even though he's never done one either. And. And we'll figure it out. But it's getting to that point of being okay with being vulnerable and just being honest that you don't know how to do everything. Yeah. And being okay with asking for help because a lot of women don't want to ask for help. And I know what that feels like too, because it's embarrassing. Like I have women who are like, I really want to write you a review, but I don't know how to do it.

Sarah Milken (00:52:36) - And I'm like, Neither do fucking I. But let me ask someone.

Jessica Barac (00:52:42) - We figure that out. Let me ask.

Sarah Milken (00:52:44) - Someone.

Jessica Barac (00:52:44) - Do you want to share the video or do you want to share the link for your. I've actually forgot to turn my light on, so I'm just going to turn my life.

Sarah Milken (00:52:53) - I have a big light here too. I didn't turn it on either.

Jessica Barac (00:52:57) - Okay. You can't see me. That's my life.

Sarah Milken (00:52:59) - No, I can see you.

Jessica Barac (00:53:00) - So. So do you want to share the link.

Sarah Milken (00:53:03) - To do that, Jessica?

Jessica Barac (00:53:05) - Do you. Can you just say it like, what's the link to your. Because I'm like, I.

Sarah Milken (00:53:09) - Don't know how to save, cut and paste the link into a live.

Jessica Barac (00:53:13) - So it's just say what it is.

Sarah Milken (00:53:14) - And if you go to W if you go to my website, which is WW w dot the flexible neurotic, let me think okay what the flexible neurotic. forward.com/workshop.

Jessica Barac (00:53:31) - Okay So what we'll do is I'll, I'll, I'll put it in the note.

Jessica Barac (00:53:35) - Yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:53:35) - And if you go to my website just the flexible neurotic it's running across the top and you just click on it also in my linktree, I think it's the first or second button. And if you go to there, you can sign up for the free workshop. That's next week, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday from 9 to 10. It's so many cool women, you guys. It's like women like us. And I think what's beautiful about it, towards the end, it's going to move into another thing and then we're all going to be together again. And I just can't tell you how much personal meaning and joy creating these mid-life friendships has brought to me. And even people like, you know, people like you on Instagram, like you're far, far away. Yeah. But I feel like I know. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:54:28) - Absolutely. I mean, that's the beauty of, of, you know, technology and how, you know, we're so lucky these days in that we can actually find people that are like minded like us and connect with them and just be brave and reaching out, you know?

Sarah Milken (00:54:41) - Yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:54:41) - And they come into real life things too. Like there are women who came to my live event and they'll come into LA and they're like, Hey, I'm in LA. You want to grab coffee? So they, they turn into in real life moments when they can or like when I go to New York or whatever, I, I make plans with the people that I know from Instagram. Yeah. You know, so there really is a lot of value in creating these online friendships because you can't always have someone who lives right near you. No, it doesn't always work that way.

Jessica Barac (00:55:16) - I mean, so many people that live in small towns, you know, where, you know, you've just maybe outgrown or you're just feel different to, you know, what other people that are, you know, geographically close to you feel and think.

Sarah Milken (00:55:29) - Also, with friendships, like you were saying before, I did a whole episode on like friendship audits. And I think we feel really guilty about changing friendships. But I think it's really important to think about friendships for different times.

Sarah Milken (00:55:47) - Like I've had friends that I've been super close to in the past, and then we're kind of on like a hiatus ish for a few years, but like, now we're back into it again. Yeah. And it's not judging yourself about it. Sometimes things are just what they are. Or you didn't know that this friend was going through this crazy thing in their life and they weren't ignoring you. They were just attending to something that was going on personally in their lives. Yeah. And so it's kind of just being okay with the nature of friendships changing. Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:56:23) - Yeah. You kind of grow into that. I feel like. Yeah, grow into it. Um, did you want to share to just to finish off, did you want to share your, um, your kind of midlife fundamentals? You know, you've, you've interviewed so many people and, you know, watching your stories and seeing you online. You have, you know, the things that you do day in and day out that you've learned picked up, that you've that help you from on a day to day basis.

Jessica Barac (00:56:49) - Could you share your top ones?

Sarah Milken (00:56:51) - My top ones. I mean, I love I love and hate my way the best. Okay. I call it bestie bestie. It's an £8 weighted vest. Not super sexy or attractive, But the bottom line is, is in my opinion and based on a lot of the research that's out there, wearing the weighted vest while walking does create some weight bearing effects. Yeah. So if I'm if I'm super exhausted, I do not wear it, believe me. But if I'm feeling like kind of like a normal energy, I slap that puppy on. I look like I work for like the Secret Service and it creates a general sense of weight bearing exercise. It's like a $40 item from Amazon. Not that complicated. I've probably sold thousands of them and I don't have I don't even know how to do the Amazon link. I don't get money for it. I have no idea how to do that. That's like way outside of my pay. And the benefits.

Jessica Barac (00:57:53) - Of that really is So you're training in zone to where that kind of fat burning training, but also with the resistance it's impounding on your your bone density.

Jessica Barac (00:58:02) - So you're kind of supporting that bone density, which we know as women we need to be doing everything that we can. So walking with a weighted vest is a great way to kind of hit two of those two of those things.

Sarah Milken (00:58:14) - So I walk with the weighted vest, I do do weights like I would say 2 to 3 sessions a week. And I have Pilates mixed in there too. Yeah. But again, like I. Have podcast recording. I have doctor's appointments. The shit doesn't happen every day, you know, And I'm okay with that. So knowing that I'm doing something 3 to 4 days a week, I will say that I have become much more committed to steps. I don't count the steps the same way. I don't weigh myself. I haven't weighed myself since before before I was pregnant with my son, which was 19 years ago, because I don't I don't get into numbers games with myself. Yeah, it's dangerous.

Jessica Barac (00:58:58) - So there's nothing like, okay, maybe it's but yeah, for me personally either I don't think I weighed myself since I was about like 25.

Jessica Barac (00:59:05) - Yeah.

Sarah Milken (00:59:06) - Exactly. Like I'm like, Oh, that's kind of snug. Okay, I need the next size up or whatever, you know, so that, so definitely that. So I would say the steps, but I don't count them. Yeah. Because I just I'm like, oh, I hit three miles, I'm good. I don't think that's 10,000 steps. But I moved today. So I would say the steps are a big thing. I would say water. I know it sounds really basic, but I'm like one of those people who could like, skip water for days. So when I get out of bed in the morning, I have this glass bottle on my nightstand and I'm like, Yeah.

Jessica Barac (00:59:40) - Good. So important to for, for brain fog. Yeah. Just if you're, if you are intermittent fasting, it is really important to make stuff.

Sarah Milken (00:59:51) - I add stuff to my water. So I have the elam and tea powder, which doesn't have a bunch of shitty chemicals in it.

Sarah Milken (01:00:00) - And then sometimes if I'm not in the mood to have like that early in the morning, I take pink Himalayan salt and I literally just take a pinch or two of it, throw it in the water bottle, shake it up. And then I'm like, okay, I got some of my, like, sodium and electrolytes down. There's nothing like fancy happening.

Jessica Barac (01:00:18) - No. And just to explain to everybody why so why I was talking about doing that is it helps you absorb the water better when you have kind of minerals. And if you don't use kind of, you know, electrolytes, then if you just put some Himalayan salt in your water, it can it just helps the body really hydrate. And going through perimenopause and menopause, we are so prone to brain fog and all those kind of, you know, the brain symptoms. And our brain is actually made up of 80% water. So, you know, even if we have a 2 to 3%, you know, decrease in hydration, it really impacts us.

Jessica Barac (01:00:55) - So hydration is key. So it is.

Sarah Milken (01:00:58) - And I don't think everyone realizes that drinking just plain water, while it's great, it's not always enough. Like my son was saying yesterday that like he's not feeling well and a bunch of the kids are sick and he's like, but I'm drinking water. I'm like, Yeah, but remember those packets I put in your room? The element packets, like, you need to dump one in there because you need some of the minerals because sometimes just drinking the water, it's not 100% being absorbed. So I'd say water is a big thing. Chia seeds. I know that's super random. Yeah, that's super, super random. But I'm. I know that fiber from Mary Claire Haber and all of the research, it's like fiber, fiber, fiber. And I find that she has seeds like in my oatmeal, for example, just kind of adds a little bit of that fiber bulk that helps with regularity. Yes.

Jessica Barac (01:01:54) - And omega three.

Sarah Milken (01:01:56) - What do you say?

Jessica Barac (01:01:57) - And yes, omega.

Sarah Milken (01:01:58) - Threes for sure. I'm trying to think of all the little random things.

Jessica Barac (01:02:03) - Um, creatine.

Sarah Milken (01:02:05) - Creatine. I put in my yogurt every day because they say just.

Jessica Barac (01:02:11) - Five.

Sarah Milken (01:02:12) - Milligrams a day. A lot of times people think that creatine is about like being like a bodybuilder, but a lot of the research is showing that five milligrams a day really just helps with brain function and maintaining cognitive fluidity. So I'm like, okay, five milligrams dumped into the yogurt. Like I don't even have to think about it and I don't put anything away. My husband hates it, but if it's in front of me, I use it. Yeah, yeah, it's right there. So if the creatine goes back in the cabinet, it's never getting used again.

Jessica Barac (01:02:45) - Yes, you'll find it in five years.

Sarah Milken (01:02:48) - Hey, peeps, it's me again. Of course. Instagram live. Cut us off at the one hour mark. Or one of us pressed the off button. Who the fuck knows? But it wouldn't be a social media learning curve without some kind of technical difficulty for two midlife women, whatever.

Sarah Milken (01:03:05) - That was my first ever Instagram live in all three years of having my Instagram platform and my podcast. Yep. I just needed to step myself out of that comfort zone. You know? I always talk about that. Get yourself out of the fucking midlife waiting room. Push yourself, try something new. Do something that's uncomfortable. Do something that's a little bit awkward. Word. Okay. You guys heard the intro to this. This is probably coming out on day three of my workshop, my free workshop. This is mid-life. The workshop will now be over and we will be moving into my eight week online experience. You can watch all the snippets in my stories, but there's no need for FOMO because I have this online course everywhere. It's called the Midlife Remix Table and I launched it today. You can find it on my linktree at my Instagram at the flexible neurotic. You can find it on my website w ww The flexible neurotic. Com. It's a banner running across the top. And I can't believe I'm saying all this myself from three years ago.

Sarah Milken (01:04:12) - I would be kicking and screaming with excitement knowing I overcame so many fears to create this whole flexible, neurotic platform. Have a free workshop, do an Instagram live for the first time, put out an online course. I mean, holy smokes, I have no idea what's happening here. Don't worry. This is not a course where I'm lecturing you. This is an intimate experience that is going to happen every single week with me. And it's for women who want to talk midlife, women who listen to my podcast, women who relate to me, relate to midlife, want to make new friends, want to feel the vibe. It's going to be full of sass and information and expertise and rad women who want to vibe together with like vibed women. Seriously, my blood, sweat and tears are in this course. It's eight weeks long, like I said, and there will be other incredible midlife women in live virtual intimate space together where we're going to discover our midlife whys. Why are we here? What the fuck are we doing? Where the fuck did our kids go off to college? Got jobs, moved out of the house.

Sarah Milken (01:05:21) - What are we going to do next and how are we even going to get there? We're going to figure this out. What our next part is for us in midlife. I'm so excited to connect with all of you and get real about the Midlife remix. Head over to my Instagram for more information and to sign up today for the Midlife Remix Table, our eight week online experience together.