zero f*cks in Midlife
Part 1
Sarah Milken 0:04
Hey peeps, welcome to the flexible neurotic podcast. I'm your host Dr. Sarah Milken. Yeah, you heard that right. I'm a real PhD doctor. Long, long ago like last fucking year. I was sitting in the midlife pump wondering, was this it for me? That day I realized I needed to get off my ass and start my midlife remix. I dusted off my PhD wipe the menopause, sweat off my forehead, grabbed my golden shit shovel and started digging deep to all my midlife bitches. It's not just love coffee and hormones that get you through your midlife remix. It's action steps. Let's do this. Hi, peep. This is the next episode of The flexible neurotic podcast and I'm Dr. Sarah Milken V flexible, neurotic. When I started my podcast, I had a list of dream deaths. One of them is here today. What the fuck? Let's go one of my favorite jewelry designers one that my husband has become very familiar with on my credit card, and a go to for my gold hoops you see on Instagram that I were to carpool to the gym to Pilates that my teen daughter steals so I had to start buying her her own fucking pairs for her birthdays and holidays. This woman is a serious business woman with a booming and very successful jewelry company with flagship stores in Beverly Hills. Thank God you have we have one here now New York City and I think Miami we're gonna get to that I think that's coming soon. She also has a huge kitchen and recipe health and wellness platform. She has a big collab with CB two of course I bought all that fun stuff to from kitchenware to furniture. Okay, you guys Jennifer fucking Fisher.
Jennifer Fisher 1:54
Hi girl.
Sarah Milken 1:55
Oh my god. I can't I mean honestly, let's just say this. Like, we're talking about this midlife remix and like starting to do shit from scratch. You have no idea what you're doing and then like, in less than two years, I have Jennifer Fisher on my podcast, you guys shit can happen if you want it to. Yes, you're the best. So good. Okay. Thanks for having me. Oh my god. I'm so I'm so excited. So many women are excited. Like I can't tell you how many DMS I got. I'm like, I'm not sure I can ask her all these questions because we're gonna be here all fucking day. And this is already going to be four episodes. But I just want to tell everyone that I didn't know what to wear for this episode. And I never ever even think about what I'm going to wear. But I had Tracy Tudor. I was just telling Jen this before we started I Tracy tutor on the podcast and I was like, okay, Tracy's always dressed in the nine she's gonna come like decked. So I got this like leopard blouse was like puff sleeves on. I get to the interview. And she's like in a Flashdance workout outfit with like, no makeup on looking perfect. And I was like, this is quite a juxtaposition. So thank God you're wearing a tank top and I'm wearing my h&m off the shoulder sweatshirt. Of course Jennifer Fisher earrings. Which ones are these? Jen? Those are the
Jennifer Fisher 3:11
twisty lilies. doesn't have many twisted the lace.
Sarah Milken 3:14
How are these mini? Like go back a little bit. Okay, they might be mini dozen minis Yeah, your minis are different than my minis. And then what's this necklace? I
Jennifer Fisher 3:23
bought this at your store? 60 inch extra extra small Dean.
Sarah Milken 3:28
Okay, yeah, this was the day. You bought that? Yeah, this was the day with Caroline too. Yes, it was another favorite shop with Caroline. Okay, so we're going to get into it with Jen. We're gonna pick your brain on all fucking things. So get ready jewelry raising teens. Sexy Kevin keeping your marriage alive choosing you and doing you are you ready?
Jennifer Fisher 3:50
Sexy Kevin? Love? Yes. Let's go.
Sarah Milken 3:55
Okay. Okay, so if you don't know Jennifer Fisher, I don't know what to tell you. I'm really sorry. Just nod your head pretend that you know, because everyone knows Jennifer Fisher. She's fucking hot, rad, smart and incredible jewelry designer, entrepreneur and kitchen and recipe guru. This chick has three Instagram accounts does them all herself, which makes no fucking sense. Because I just got on Instagram like 90 months ago and I can barely do one I'm like mentally deficient. Okay, so we Jen tell us the three accounts so we can like get those down.
Jennifer Fisher 4:28
So there's three we're gonna try to make them one we're working on it right now we're trying to figure out how to merge them into one because what I am is one brand for right now. There's Jennifer Fisher jewelry, which is all the jewelry and then the celebs and magazines and all that kind of stuff. And sometimes me and then there's kitchen which is my day to day me cooking for my family. All the shit that I do when I get home from work pretty much my day. It's like it's basically like my day and a TV show. So it's like whatever I do that I think people that don't give a shit about they're not shopping for jewelry and they're more interested in like, who is Jennifer Fisher? Like what is she Doing it's all the other shit that I do when I'm when I'm not at the office and when I'm at the office also, but it's also my interesting diet that I've sort of formulated on my own by taking different programs and making up my own shit that works for me, because we're all fucking different and no one's going to eat the same and feel the same. So I pretty much just come home from work every day and on Jennifer Fisher kitchen, I go through and I just start filming what I'm cooking for the night and I honest to God, Sarah, I just fucking make it up every day. Like it's not like a planning thing. I don't have a team who's like, okay, Jen, on Tuesday, you're gonna make tacos on Wednesday, you're gonna make salad like, it doesn't work that way.
Sarah Milken 5:34
I know. We all think that you have like a secret housekeeper or they Kevin's a dishwasher. Because okay, because I'm like the, like, you can like have a full time career on 17 levels come home, like, created like and you went to Whole Foods and 17 other markets to get like the perfectly curated No, this no that items and all fresh and organic. Then you cook all this shit. It's like filmed perfectly. You've gotten that down. You look amazing. And then I'm like, Who cleans that shit?
Jennifer Fisher 6:06
I fucking do. I do. Or Kevin does Kevin's a really good dishwasher. Kevin's like the most amazing dishwasher. And because sort of the deal is a lot of the time. He has a bit. He's so busy now. But half the time by the time I've fed the kids dinner and I've sort of started to eat my dinner. He hasn't eaten dinner and he's on a call. So the business is growing so much in so many different directions. That's like our version of like a family dinner. We live in a loft in New York City. So like, he'll be on the you know, in the living room and a call and I'll be with the kids in the kitchen cooking, filming, eating, talking, doing all this shit at the same time. And that's our fucked up family dinner.
Sarah Milken 6:38
No, no, I think like, like you've said, like, teenage to having a family dinner with teenagers. It's like a whole shit show unto itself.
Jennifer Fisher 6:48
Well, one's got basketball until I once got an art project and one's got so if I can if they're both in on my kitchen island eating together, and we're in the same room, that's family dinner. Oh, totally.
Sarah Milken 7:01
It's like a bowl mine.
Jennifer Fisher 7:02
Whatever you want. Does. No one sits at the dining room table anymore. Like barely. I mean, if they do God bless you more power to you. That's amazing. Oh, no. And then
Sarah Milken 7:11
like, I like there was just like, Hold dinner for last night. And then my son's like, I'm sorry, I'm going on to dinner with my girlfriend. And I was like, okay, really? And like then they came home and like had dessert with us. Whatever. But I'm like, there's no, there's no plan anymore.
Jennifer Fisher 7:26
No, no, they don't tell you anything. That's another thing with the teens. Well, there'll be like, it's so funny. Like, the other night. My son was sitting in the kitchen. He was like, Mom, I need this. But okay, what do you need it tomorrow?
Sarah Milken 7:36
No, no, no. Night. I put this on my Instagram the other day I like was about to record a podcast. And he Jake texted me and he goes, I brought the wrong color baseball uniform. Oh, do you want me to fucking kill you? Honestly,
Jennifer Fisher 7:54
did you see that quote that was going on Instagram actually sent it to Nina my publicist who is a new mom and I said it was something about instead of worrying about I don't remember what it was, it was about a color jersey and
Sarah Milken 8:05
the dryer for the morning for the game like that should know honestly. And then the other night, he calls me at like 11pm from his room and he goes, I can't find my baseball pants. And I go okay, so go look in the laundry room. So he goes in the laundry room. He goes there hang drying wet. And I'm like
Jennifer Fisher 8:24
and dry away.
Sarah Milken 8:27
And then I go there's a dryer, just make sure there isn't lint in the lint screen and then my husband goes as if you fucking know what you're talking about. And I'm like, okay, all right. I know what I'm talking about. So he dried the pans and we got on on board but like, the teenage thing is like a whole thing that we have to get into. We're getting into that. But first I want to give everyone like a quick snapshot of Jennifer Fisher. I kind of like I kind of did like a quick summary because I feel like there's so many parts of your life that could be like entire episodes like infertility, a lot of different things related to you. So I wanted to give everyone a snapshot. Okay, so you were raised in Montecito, California, which is essentially Santa Barbara if people don't know what Montecito is, you had and have fabulous parents who you show on Instagram who are like, old school cool, just like nice down to earth people. And I can totally relate to that because that's how my parents are. And I post my dad all the time with like, his little dog. He carries in a messenger bag to Costco, and everyone's like, I love your dad. I'm like, I know until you piss them off. But yes, so I can totally relate to having those like super smushy cuddly great parents. You are a stylist until you designed a necklace to commemorate the birth of your son. Right? And then everyone asked you about it and then you became Jennifer fucking fish
Jennifer Fisher 9:48
or jewelry. Right?
Sarah Milken 9:52
Honestly, then you show your avocado toast on Instagram, and everyone's like wait, what's the salt On your avocado toast, and then that goes into Jennifer Fisher kitchen. I mean what? Then you get to that and then you're diagnosed with a tumor somewhere in between all this you were 33 Yeah, that was 30.
Jennifer Fisher 10:15
That was when Kevin and I first started dating that was long ago when I got diagnosed actually not so I just moved to New York when I got diagnosed with it.
Sarah Milken 10:23
Okay, so I know everyone's gonna want to know. So what kind of tumor was it? What was your quick, not quick solution, but like, sort of the short story on that.
Jennifer Fisher 10:31
So it's a very rare soft tissue sarcoma. It's called a desmoid tumor. It is not breast cancer. They thought it was breast cancer. I have breast implants. They believe that is from scar tissue from my breast implants that basically keloid scars and turns into a tumor, which is a desmoid. tumor. metastasize if it's given blood flow, so the first doctor that I went to so first i So okay, so I found this lump under my armpit kind of above my, my left breast, and I was exercising like crazy. And I went to my doctor who did my implants about six months after I'd had been done. I said, Something's weird. I have a lump here. And he's like, Oh, it's fine. Just stop wearing racerback tops. It's nothing. Okay, so then I go, and I start with a new lb, and she put me on a higher dose estrogen pill, and then suddenly my lump like tripled in size. I was at a wedding odd. And I had a strapless dress and I looked in the mirror and the lighting was horrible overhead lighting they have in the bathrooms, you know, most event Yeah, I had this like weird bump. And I was I'm like a muscular kind of girl and like, oh, shit, this is not good. So thank God, Kevin's dad is a doctor in LA was a doctor in LA still alive, just not practicing. And he was like, You need to count you need to get this checked out. Like immediately. This is not okay. So I flew back to LA went to breast cancer specialist. He's like, Whoa, he's like, you have something very rare. No one knew how to treat it. He's like, we have to take out your pectoralis major minor, your serratus and your collarbone, you'll basically have no left side of your body left. But we have to have large resection rates in order to get every part of this tumor because they're like an octopus and they grow into your muscle, like into your muscles and around your belly. And so they have to have a really wide resection rate in order to be successful in getting rid of them, or else they come back and they come back worse and that's making metastasize. So I was like, just get I'm the type of person I'm like, Okay, this is the problem. That's the solution that you've given me. Let's do it. Let's take it out. Get it out. And Kevin's dad, I mean, I'll never forget, I walked out of the waiting room and Kevin's dad was there and Kevin was sitting there. And Kevin was a little teary. And I was like, what's wrong? And Kevin's like? Well, my dad said to me, you know, is she the one on Capitol Hill? She's the one who's like, then we need to get another opinion. So thank God, his dad sent me to a doctor, UCLA. And this doctor was like, well, first of all, this was like, you know, this is two weeks into it. And every day, I'm like, praying, I've got like, my beads on my stuff. I'm like, Oh, my God, and I'll do anything. I don't want to die. And this doctor was like, slow down. You're not going to die from this. Okay? So he's like, let's try. He's like, we're trying chemotherapy. We're trying radiation on it. Let's try one of those. But let's try chemo first. So I went through 12 rounds of high dose methotrexate chemotherapy for it. Sorry, this is long. Anyways, it's
Sarah Milken 13:02
okay. Well, I think it's we're women to hear because it's also part of your health journey, because some people I'm sure, like, why is she such an extremist with her health, but there's a reason
Jennifer Fisher 13:11
I also feel that you know, every day is a gift. And it's really important that you are, you know, positive about absolutely anything that kind of comes your way every day. And so this tumor made me who I am today, and I live with it, I have to live with it. They can't take it out. But it did shrink. And it doesn't seem to have blood flow currently, which is great. So I just monitor it with MRIs. But the problem was when I wanted to have a child and Kevin proposed to me, we got married when we want to have a child mycologist was like no way you have to get an egg donor adopt. You can't carry the child because your tumor obviously it grows from estrogen. So that was a whole other road that we had to go down. So we had to, you know, back in the day, you know, it was illegal in the state of New York to have a surrogate carry for you. So we're like, we went to New Jersey. We didn't literally like that any of the agencies in New Jersey. It was it was Vermont, Florida, I think it was and then it was California. So we're like let's do California. Both of our parents are there. We're both from there. We'll have the baby out there and it'd be great. So we went through three rounds of IVF. Two were successful in pregnancy one miscarried at 12 weeks the other miscarried at 16 weeks, we'd already seen heartbeat. We already know it was a boy, we already named it. And so then we're like, you know what, fuck this. I'm gonna do it on my own. You know, I'm going to try to get pregnant. And if I can get pregnant, this baby, I'm going to carry it. So I went through IVF in New York, it didn't work. It was a nightmare. The doctor actually punctured my aortic vein in my uterus. I don't know if there is one there and I hemorrhage just like in front of Gucci on Fifth Avenue, out in front of a taxi bleeding out. Ah, no, after all of that, we're like, Fuck this. Let's take the summer off. This is too stressful. Let's see, maybe we'll adopt or we'll get an egg donor instead. And we started looking at files and Kevin was like, pick the tall one. You know, the 510 10
Sarah Milken 14:54
Jewish volleyball player.
Jennifer Fisher 14:58
I know right? So I was like, fuck it. Let's go party we had a really fun summer we were drinking or having the best time and I got pregnant. Wow. And that was shame. Water sucked. So I'm keeping this baby and my oncologist was like, all right, but if your tumor starts to grow, you need to end the pregnancy and grow, it actually shrunk. And I'm now a case study at Emory University of women of childbearing age that have my types of tumors that can go on to actually carry a child without the tumor growing.
Sarah Milken 15:25
So that is, I mean, what does Jennifer Fisher not do? Wow, okay. There's so much there. And I'm so happy you share that with us. Because I feel like so many women can obviously relate to breast cancer, yours is obviously not breast cancer, but a definite huge health version of like, positivity making things we're keeping at it. I mean, so many of us want to give up when we get these diagnoses and getting up every day and like pulling your shit back together. I mean, wow,
Jennifer Fisher 15:57
I have to tell you, sir, like, and for anyone out there who's kind of dealing with this right now, every morning, I would wake up and I'd be like, you know, fuck this thing. I'm bigger than this. I've got this. I'll learn to live with you. And you can be a friend and my body, but I'm going to control you, and I'm going to be okay. And you are not going to kill me and you are not going to take me down. I kind of deal a lot with people too. But like, oh, yeah,
Sarah Milken 16:18
that's like the story of everyone's lives. But does that come naturally to you as like intuition? Or like, you're like a Joe Dispenza fan? Like, where did that come from?
Jennifer Fisher 16:27
Now I'm not I'm not a big like, you know, believing in like the power of positive thinking and listening to all these guys, I just have always thought that way I would you have a choice. Every day, you can be in a bad mood, you can have a shitty day, you could not get anything done. Or you can have a great fucking day, you can get a ton of things done, and you can make something new happen for yourself,
Sarah Milken 16:48
and shit can go wrong, and you're going to be okay.
Jennifer Fisher 16:51
And sometimes when the shit goes wrong goes
Jennifer Fisher 16:53
wrong for a reason. It's going to point you in a better direction. So even if it's negative, considered as a positive, because it's putting you to somewhere else that maybe you're meant to be.
Sarah Milken 17:01
Yeah, and finding the lesson like in that, whatever that experience was. And that's definitely something that I work on every day and work on with my teenagers too. Because in teenage life, everything seems like a giant clusterfuck for that minute. And then it's gone in two seconds. And I'm like you guys perspective here. You know, and I think the more we can maintain perspective as role models, and as parents, like our teenagers are going to be more resilient. And I think my kids, I mean, I'm saying this about my own kids, but I actually think that they're pretty resilient. And they're, they can actually like, step away from something and look at it without being in a whole hysterical mess. Not to say that it never happens, but there's definitely like perspective on it. So in terms of like, your woowoo shit, so you just said you're not like, you know, but I know you do some Whoa,
Jennifer Fisher 17:49
yeah, it's just more of a into, like, looking internally and sort of like, okay, how can this be done? How can I do this better? How can I, you know,
Jennifer Fisher 17:56
look at this differently.
Jennifer Fisher 17:57
You know, how can I not do it in a way that I've seen someone else do it that I didn't really respect? Right? Oh, things like that. I try to look at it more in that way.
Sarah Milken 18:05
And you meditate too?
Jennifer Fisher 18:07
I do. I do. TM I don't admittedly, I'm not doing it right now. Because I just just sort of like stopped. Haven't I need to get back into it? I've been really bad with it. But how do you get back? Yeah, how do you get back in that's like a beatdown and you start doing using your mantra and you sit there for 20 minutes and you meditate. Ah, so hard. Do you know anything about TM? T? Yeah, totally.
Sarah Milken 18:28
I do. But it's just hard for me. I haven't found a meditation that I 100% Connect with where I'm like, I have to do this. Like, I don't think I've given enough time. It's like, I'll do it for two weeks. And then I'll stop and then I'll do it for a week and then I'll stop. I enjoy
Jennifer Fisher 18:43
it. Like I love it. If I can get up early enough and do the Bob Roth did the guided Bob Roth in the morning. He's
Jennifer Fisher 18:49
I haven't tried that. That's awesome.
Jennifer Fisher 18:51
Because if you're part of the of the David Lynch foundation, you get to be you know, in these, you know, lives that he does, and then know throughout the day that we're doing them, but I never do them. But if I'm up enough, early in the morning, when the house is really quiet, I'll sometimes do them. It's great. Now,
Sarah Milken 19:07
how do you pick up a habit or start something new that it's just so I think we get so much information in the world, you know what I mean? From Instagram and you know, magazines and whatever, like, do this, try that do this? Like how do you close the gap between knowing what's good for you and actually doing it? I feel like that's the part that's so hard and all of this,
Jennifer Fisher 19:30
but if you if you really enjoy it, and you feel like it's doing something for you or you enjoy doing I mean, it's just just do it.
Sarah Milken 19:36
But I think a lot of the times it's just the starting and I think a lot of women in midlife in this journey are like okay, but I want to do this and I want to do that. But the starting part is so fucking hard.
Jennifer Fisher 19:47
Too much. This is part of the problem. I think too many women spend so much time worrying about what will happen if they change their schedule or what will happen if they don't do something exactly the same as they've always done it or if they do something and they're not going to be good at it. Uh, you know, I think that I think especially in our point in our lives, you know, so many women are so caught up in, I think a how other people see them totally so weird. It's so fucking weird. I don't believe in that at all. And then also in just sort of feeling that they're, they're not worthy of doing that for themselves, right. The self loathing and the lack of self worth, I think is really huge women of our age in the 50s. And I think that that women needed to get to get fuck over that, ladies. It's ridiculous. But ladies, what's
Sarah Milken 20:31
your what's your advice for getting over that for like, just taking that step for telling the peanut gallery like a lot of times, we all think that all these people are like sitting around and looking at our Instagram or even if you don't have Instagram, like, they think that you know, other people are sitting around talking about them and thinking about them, but it's like, nobody just gives a shredded.
Jennifer Fisher 20:51
Don't give yourself too much credit.
Sarah Milken 20:55
I know everybody's so busy with their own lives. If their time to think about fucking you, then they needed like a part time job.
Jennifer Fisher 21:03
You know, you'll get the negative
Jennifer Fisher 21:04
bullshit and stuff on Instagram. And those people can go fuck themselves and sit on their couch and their sweats or whatever it is that they're doing. I don't really give a shit. But it's like, you know, honestly, the women just need to just you just need to go if you if just try it stop being so afraid to like, take that first step and try something new for yourself.
Sarah Milken 21:20
And how did you do that? Like you met you like you wore a necklace that you had made for your commemorating your son's birth, right? And everyone was like, oh my god, I love that necklace. I love that necklace. So how did that like little sort of inkling of something turn into your big thing.
Jennifer Fisher 21:40
It just was one of those things where I think it was timing. I think timing is really important. And I made something I think what I did in that necklace was so truly and I hate using this fucking word was so true. It was too authentic to exactly what I wanted and what I needed at that time. And I did it just for myself, I made that necklace for myself. I did not make it to show off. I didn't make it to try to sell it. I wasn't I made that necklace for myself. And little did I know that there were 1000s of women out there looking for exactly the same thing that I was wearing. I was doing. So I think you know, and that's another thing is starting a business if women want to start a business have stopped being so afraid because no one's going to do it exactly the way that you're doing it. There's still space for you. You know, I think so when I was so terrified of oh my god, so into comparing themselves so and so's doing it, you know, they're not going to want mine. How do you do that? You don't know that? You know. So that necklace that catapulted everything was something that came from such a pure space of like, I really just want this and I can't find it. So I'm going to make it it's the same thing with the salt. And now it's the same thing with like, some of the other stuff. It's just, it's one of those things that I think if you come from a place of like, I'm just gonna try and see I didn't know if people were gonna like this lamp who fucking knew that they were gonna sell 1000s and 1000s of these things like things like that, like I didn't know, but you haven't. How do
Sarah Milken 22:53
you view the flood say the lamp didn't go well. Right? Like, how do you like accept failure? Or how do you sort of reframe it? Or do you not see it as failure? Just see it as like, oh, that didn't work.
Jennifer Fisher 23:07
I see it as feedback. So I see it. So like, even with jewelry when we make something and I'm like, that's so cool. People are gonna love it. And then people don't buy it. You're like, Oh, shit. So it's like, it's one of those things. It's great to be like, Okay, great. Well, they didn't like that. But maybe they'll like it if it's slightly different. And nine times out of 10, that works. So if something doesn't work, you shouldn't consider it a failure. It's just something you have to modify or tweak and maybe do a little bit differently. You know, maybe it's a different color, maybe it's a different size, whatever that is, and then it works normally the next time. And if it doesn't work and you keep doing something, it's not working, it's not working, then you really changed directions and try something different. But you can't be afraid to put yourself out there and take a shot. You wouldn't you'll never know. You'll never know.
Sarah Milken 23:48
I mean, I totally resonate with what you're saying. Because it's like when I was like, Oh, I'm gonna start a podcast about midlife self reinvention. I was like, God that just sounds so like frumpy and like boring. And like everything out there is kind of like vanilla. And then I come to it. And I'm like, kind of a reverend, like using the F word every five seconds. People are like what's happening here? And I'm just me.
Jennifer Fisher 24:16
We're dying to be on your podcast. Yeah, I'm
Sarah Milken 24:18
just saying like, I'm just me showing up as me but like if I tried to do the podcast as someone else, like in a perfectly tailored white shirt, not using the F bomb every two seconds, that wouldn't be me and like what you're saying, the necklace that you made had your energy in it. And it's like when people asked me like, how do you do all your Instagram stuff? I'm like, because if I didn't, people would know like, it doesn't have my energy to it. Like if somebody else posted a story about my son's Chipotle balls on my account. It wouldn't have that seem like fucked Sara, like sarcastic humor attached to it and I think That followers and listeners feel the person's energy, whether it's like Instagram or a podcast or whatever. And like figuring out what that like authentic energy is for you. Like if I came on I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna tell you guys about my recipes. Like, everyone knows I don't fucking cook. I mean, like, I text you and I'm like, this is like, I'm like, this is like food porn, like who cuts like this? Who does shit like this? And it's like, even though it's not my skill set, I so appreciate it and other people. And I think that's also part of this midlife journey is like, hey, like, I may not be good at that. But I'm good at this. And I think a lot of women get overwhelmed because they're like, Okay, well, I don't know what I'm good at. But sometimes you have to just sort of stop and think, like I posted today, this post called still got it. And it was basically like me trying on a pair of guest jeans at 47 When I because I worked at the guest store when I was in high school.
Jennifer Fisher 25:58
So I worked the guest store when I was in Santa Barbara. Oh, no. So my first year of college, I went to San Diego State, I went to USC and I got into USC, but I ended up extending stay. Because when the riots were happening, and my mom didn't want me living in the dorms at La at that time. So I would stand in the state for a year. And when I would attend a state, I worked at the guest jeans store, like the mall, it was so fun.
Sarah Milken 26:22
I worked at the guest store in the West Side pavilion. I worked in a CPG two way I didn't work. I did not work at BCBG. But I did I loved becbj I was
Jennifer Fisher 26:33
great was amazing. And the videos start so fun. He was amazing. It was great.
Sarah Milken 26:37
I did work at Nancy Heller and Beverly Hills to who was like famous for those like Pat shoulder pad T shirts. And they had like a little bow right here. But like going back into that guest or all these years later. And like obviously, I'm not going to be wearing the same size jeans and all of that shit. But like the whole premise of the post and the and the mini so that came out today was like, sometimes we have so much shit that's buried inside of us that we haven't looked at in so many decades, because we're like a mom, a spouse of this a PTA person or career woman. But like, all that shit still lives within us. Yeah, of course. And it's like now that now that it's like, I sort of feel like, you know, midlife is this like time where we can start like self obsessing a little bit in a non narcissistic way. And like figuring out what those things are that like we used to be good at, or we used to love. Like, I used to love rollerblading so fucking random, right? So I'm like, maybe I should buy another pair of rollerblades. But anyway, yes, I was actually I'm not an athletic person, but I can rollerblade and hula hoop, which is really fucked and weird. I was a figure skater. That's amazing. No figure skating requires talent. I think who knows not talented.
Jennifer Fisher 27:49
I tried. I sucked them so bad.
Sarah Milken 27:54
Oh my god. Like, oh my god. Okay, so everyone is obsessed with like, your whole health thing. Okay. So I know you've had you have Hashimotos like a thyroid disease, you obviously have this the tumor situation that you're living with. And I know that you have said that, like you kind of felt like tired and foggy and shitty, and blah, blah, blah. And you had tried like gluten free and this and that. But nothing ever stuck. Then you used to open your Beverly Hills store during the pandemic. And somehow you got to a book that sort of changed everything for you. Will you tell us about that? Yes,
Jennifer Fisher 28:33
yes. Let's talk about that. Because it was one of those things. And, you know, I haven't had a lot of like those aha moments in my life. It's really wild. And it's, you know, it's going along and I was building it was, you know, the pandemic happened. I started cooking up Instagram during the pandemic, my CB two club came out. It was the fucking worst time in the world, but also the great, greatest timing in the world that everybody was redoing their homes.
Sarah Milken 28:55
Oh, yeah, I want to do now I want new mugs. During the pandemic. Everybody wanted
Jennifer Fisher 28:59
everything. And so they stopped, they couldn't ship it fast enough, and then they couldn't redo it. So then we ended up doing two more collabs during the pandemic, it was fucking crazy. But anyways, it was awesome. So, all of that happened. And we built up a store during construction during COVID You know, the guys the construction guys are getting COVID or the stop where it was. Every time I flew to LA to quarantine for 10 days. So for the one of the quarantines when I got there. I picked
Jennifer Fisher 29:25
up this book. It's on my desk, actually.
Sarah Milken 29:28
But you picked it up where like you actually went to a bookstore?
Jennifer Fisher 29:32
No, like on Amazon. So I think one of my followers was following my food and was like, What are you doing? You're gluten free. But I was eating a ton of cheese. I was eating like, every single gluten free product you could eat and I was just like, swollen and I felt like shit. And I was like, I just don't I'm doing all this stuff. And I'm cooking all these amazing meals and everyone's happy and I'm making banana bread and cheese roll up zucchini shit and all the stuff and when I was like, I still felt horrible, like, terrible. And one of my followers was like, Oh, hey, have you heard this guy will call. He wrote this book called keto terian it's kind of like what you do, but you just cut out the cheese and you cut out the grain. And I was like, oh really like I'm already kind of halfway there. So I was intrigued. And so I ordered the book on Amazon before one of my flights to LA and I literally got on the plane and I started reading it and I was like, holy shit this is everything that I should be doing that I'm kind of not doing some of that is a little strict and I was like well I'm not going to do that like a mug and drinking like forget it but but like, I mean maybe I'll stop drinking vodka and we'll start drinking red wine that
Sarah Milken 30:33
but I what I do like about that is like which I know we're going to talk about is like not everything is perfect for everyone. You can also do the fucking version that works for
Jennifer Fisher 30:43
you. Do what works for you. You don't need to do what I'm doing right now to do this like
Sarah Milken 30:48
you can also do a will polls doing but then you kind of do like the Jennifer Fisher version of it. Whatever works for you.
Jennifer Fisher 30:55
Right and wills wills cool with it. Like he's now like my doctor and he's cool with it. But it's uh, you know, you kind of have to do what works for you. If you want to go hardcore and you want to cut out every single night Shay. No one seems to know what a fucking night shot
Sarah Milken 31:08
I kind of know. It's like a tomato and eggplant,
Jennifer Fisher 31:12
peppers and potatoes. Odd stuff. You guys can Google it but a Nightshade. So nightshades are inflammatory. So
Sarah Milken 31:16
it's like, it's like, tell me about the skin. Right?
Jennifer Fisher 31:18
It's an anti inflammatory diet is basically what I try to stick to. Okay, I'll have I love peppers and tomatoes. It's really hard for me to stay away from jalapenos, peppers and tomatoes. But I peppers pretty much more than anything. But basically what I've done is I've modified it for myself. But the two things that I did do was I stopped the dairy. And I stopped the grain and I stopped lagoons, which is any bean. And everyone's like, you're thinking out of your mind. You're so restricted, you don't eat anything. And I'm like, fuck you. I eat so much. You guys just not seeing what I putting it out there. I'm showing you guys what I'm eating. I'm eating protein. I'm eating eggs, I mean fish, meaning everything. And I'll have red meat three times a week.
Sarah Milken 31:57
And you're also willing to put in the work to make it the way you fucking want it. Because we're all so yeah, we're also used to like, Oh, I'm gonna get Postmates I'm going to order this and I need this Omen order this on Amazon. But the way you're doing things right now just takes a few extra steps
Jennifer Fisher 32:12
for you. Oh, it is.
Jennifer Fisher 32:15
But you know what it is? Sarah? A lot of people just don't want to do it. A lot of you just like a magic pill. They want a magic answer. They don't want to do it. They're like, so then they you know, then they'll be like, You're too restrictive. I can't do it. I'll do it. But I'm still gonna have the gums and my creamer in my coffee. And I'm like,
Sarah Milken 32:32
okay, so wait. So but at the basis of this whole will coal plant like diet situation. It's not really a diet, it's a lifestyle. And I think the premise of it is reducing inflammation. Is that correct? Correct. So basically your body's are like infernos killing your gut. Okay. So people don't realize is your
Jennifer Fisher 32:53
gut, pretty much. I mean, I'm not a doctor. So I know this stuff. And don't get me wrong, because I'm probably wrong. But your gut is pretty much what runs everything in your body. And if your gut is off and inflamed, you got a problem. So you got to work on it.
Sarah Milken 33:07
Yeah, because it affects your mood and I mean, it literally affects everything. Is your blood sugar, it's everything. Yeah. And so okay, what are the we'll call like 10 commandments like the ones you've just said,
Jennifer Fisher 33:18
that's even separate. He doesn't really talk about that which is interesting, which he needs to Oh, okay. He also approves certain sugars that I don't eat like I don't eat monk fruit and I don't eat any kind of a sugar except for coconut sugar. So it's really no refined sugars, no nightshade, no dairy, no lagoons. No gluten, that he really says no booze but no No way. I'm half Irish.
Sarah Milken 33:43
i Sorry. So what alcohol do you drink? Just red wine. Is that what I read?
Unknown Speaker 33:47
Now? Yeah, I drink red wine. I used to get you know, I used to drink a lot of I used to go to Mr. Charles all the time with my friends. And we drink like two martinis and I love the martini and I still do but I prefer red wine now.
Sarah Milken 33:57
Okay, so it's no sugars, no dairy, no gluten,
Jennifer Fisher 34:00
no lagoons. So
Sarah Milken 34:03
what's really hard? Okay, what about the oil drama?
Jennifer Fisher 34:07
The oil thing is a really big deal. So you want to stay away from any inflammatory oils which are canola, safflower, sunflower, peanuts, any of those highly processed oils. I only eat olive oil. And high folinic olive oil. There's a company called Chi org, which is amazing. You should put my order that because of you. I feel like I'm pronouncing it wrong. It's cured. I always call it chi or
Sarah Milken 34:28
sorry. Yeah, I have that because it's beautiful path
Jennifer Fisher 34:31
and higher heats in it. Coconut oil, which I don't use as much I like avocado oil. So those three oils are what I use mostly.
Sarah Milken 34:37
And those can all heat up without changing and getting weird. Yeah, the olive oil is the
Jennifer Fisher 34:42
one that's harder but I don't cook into coconut just because I don't like the flavor of it. Even though I'll use I'll use refined it doesn't have the coconut flavor in it. I prefer using olive oil. But the cure is amazing.
Sarah Milken 34:53
Yeah, no, it's it's amazing. I love it. I bought it for my daughter to cook. She's the chef. Now in terms of have like the gums people are like, wait, what? Like what the fuck is that. So it's like a shelf
Jennifer Fisher 35:05
stabilizer. So most people have a harder time with it but it's pretty much everything. In mostly in the coffee creamers. People have a really hard
Sarah Milken 35:11
time. Oh my god, if you start looking at the almond like the almond milk and this and that it's like every single one has gums in it is disgusting. And it's gross. And it was like it's not creamy and like you get used to it. So three trees is a great brand Elmhurst is shelf stable, you
Jennifer Fisher 35:26
can actually put it in like your pantry for emergencies, and it's only almonds. You have to read what your label so turn things over read what's in it. If there's something in it that you can't pronounce, you probably should not be putting it into your body.
Sarah Milken 35:37
Right like but they say that like wheat flour is so bad for you. I can pronounce wheat flour.
Jennifer Fisher 35:42
It that you don't want to be eating wheat. No wheat. It's what I said. Wait,
Sarah Milken 35:48
did you say meat? No wheat, wheat we normally know. But I'm just saying it's like what about the average person who wants to like eat an English muffin?
Jennifer Fisher 35:58
No.
Sarah Milken 35:59
Okay, what if you go to a restaurant, okay. And you're like, how do you manage all of the intricacies at a restaurant I was really
Jennifer Fisher 36:07
hard about
Jennifer Fisher 36:08
salad dressings are cut. So they say that it's made with olive oil. A lot of the times when you're at restaurants, it's an olive oil based dressing just cut with canola oil, because it's expensive. In restaurants don't cook with it because it's expensive. So a lot of the times I'll just ask for lemon and I'll use lemon and I'll carry my salts soon to have in travel pack size ca so gosh, they're so cute. I can't wait to show you guys. Oh my gosh, they go on to can take them to restaurants. So you know if you're in a pinch and you don't know that don't ever eat the dressings or restaurants unless you can get pure olive oil and lemon and make your own with my salt. Or without my salt use there's plugins or whatever. And then another thing is when you cook your you know, even if you order a piece of fish nine times out of 10 they're cooking it in canola oil.
Sarah Milken 36:51
Oh my god, can I tell you I went to lunch with a friend the other day. And I was like, you know, I just want to like ask what the fish tacos are made because I was thinking about you. And he goes, let me go check. So he comes back and he goes canola oil and like my heart sunk. And I was like, fuck, like, did I really need to know that? So I was like, can you just go and ask if they can make it an olive oil? And he's like, I don't think he will but let me ask but he did. kleos they probably spit in my food jet. And I have no idea. I know.
Jennifer Fisher 37:21
It's a tricky thing. And it's hard because people that restaurants are just doing their best to and right now. It's really hard. The food service industry and all of that just, it's just hard and it's really difficult. Eating out is hard. That's why I'm home all the time cooking all the time on Instagram because you can't trust when you go out a lot of the time
Sarah Milken 37:35
and the restaurants your raw bar. Yeah. And the restaurants that you're going to what's raw bar oysters? Oh, I thought you were saying it was like a restaurant. Got
Jennifer Fisher 37:44
it? No, like I ordered. That's always like the safest thing is like if you can if you like oysters and shrimp and things like that. Do that.
Sarah Milken 37:51
Give a hoot about that. That red sauce. The cocktail saw us that. I know. What do you use? Just a guy? I've been ordered a shrimp cocktail in a while but thinking about it. I'm like, What do you put on that
Jennifer Fisher 38:04
lemon? You're not. You can watch cocktail sauce.
Sarah Milken 38:08
You carry it like do you carry your favorite ketchup with you?
Jennifer Fisher 38:11
I carry it so my ketchup. It's my cocktail sauce. Oh, good catch up
Sarah Milken 38:16
to I know I ordered it. And then I took it out this morning to put with like the cheque and chicken tenders for my daughter's lunch and she's like, what is that? That looks really weird. I'm not taking chances today. Give her the primal kitchen buffalo sauce.
Jennifer Fisher 38:27
I actually have that. I actually have that preschool because there's cashews in it. No, it's not actually it's kids. My kids like that. Okay, I
Sarah Milken 38:36
think we made we use that once for the cauliflower like in an air fryer. Yeah, but I think that maybe we use too much because it was so spicy. I thought I was gonna die. Don't use too much but it is really spicy. It is spicy. I was like okay, now I'm dying here. Okay, so basically the story is just use olive oil. Avocado oil, avocado. I
Jennifer Fisher 38:57
really like if you're eating I try to keep it as though like try to keep it as simple as possible like steamed vegetables a cooked piece of fish. If they'll cook get an olive oil for you. If there's a ROB bar or option I'll just eat a ton of oysters. Sort of the same
Sarah Milken 39:11
thing but how do you deal with the soy sauce drop I know you don't eat soy because of the tumor. So how do you manage
Jennifer Fisher 39:17
I use coconut aminos at home which is exactly like soy sauce I've got if I'm out I make a little contract like a concoction which I actually like I should sell this it's lemon wasabi with fresh ginger you know like the ginger that yeah, I put that together and that's sort of my when I ordered the shimmy shimmy is also another great option when you're out I'll use that as my soy alternative.
Sarah Milken 39:40
Interesting you don't want to carry the coconut aminos around no but
Jennifer Fisher 39:44
I'm considering I want to do a collab with someone for you know like with the I design are someone for containers storage containers for food and things like that. And I have all these ideas for people to take to restaurants boy it's
Sarah Milken 39:56
funny as I ordered little jars that will Like your salt jars, but they're, like BPA plastic versions of them because when my son doesn't take lunch to school, but my daughter likes to have her own like healthy lunch, and if she wants to bring a sauce, she's like, I don't want it one of your like weird Tupperware containers so it's in like a pretty sort of like little beauty jar with the black top. That's cute. Yeah, I've
Jennifer Fisher 40:20
kind of want to do something that looks like a lip gloss.
Sarah Milken 40:23
Oh, that's cute.
Jennifer Fisher 40:24
Yeah, almost like my Sammy plug it
Sarah Milken 40:27
oh yeah, I know. We have to talk about your perfume so I haven't smelled it yet. You have it now well, because I didn't want to go park in Beverly Hills. It's such a pain in the ass. I was complete about that. There's a giant parking garage that I know but then you get like parking lot dementia and then you don't even know where your fucking parking spaces last time I was there with Caroline and two other women who were that jewelry party? I was like Where the fuck is my car? Where the fuck is my car?
Jennifer Fisher 40:51
You guys are drunk from Wally's.
Sarah Milken 40:56
I was not drunk. I did not drink that's why I was driving. But what's funny about the bringing ship places is we just went on like a two week college tour the four of us.
Jennifer Fisher 41:06
I saw that love watching you. Oh
Sarah Milken 41:08
my god. What are you talking about your
Jennifer Fisher 41:10
first aid kit? Oh, okay. You need to kind of diversify like she has to
Sarah Milken 41:17
sell this. I know we have an amazing half to sell it. It has like coated test ace bandages, Jama flus, any beer antibiotics like,
Jennifer Fisher 41:28
like anything you were kind of making fun of yourself about I'm like, fucking Oh, and your family starts at
Sarah Milken 41:37
390 Somebody was digging it's like this person has a stomach ache and they want Tom's and like, my husband was digging in and on like night too. And I was like, You give me so much shit about this and brilliance where brilliant. I mean I've like canker sore cream. I mean like honestly everything but the thing would probably cost like hundreds of dollars
Jennifer Fisher 41:57
I think that people would buy it is brilliant. I think you need to do like a build your own people can like pick what they
Sarah Milken 42:01
want that I know. And I also need to do like the pretty Jennifer Fisher version, not like the ghetto like ziplock bag, like half done and I tried to reorganize it every time and it never works.
Jennifer Fisher 42:14
Like my thing together with my chic thing. Well think of you on a thing of it and we'll do a thing.
Jennifer Fisher 42:19
Oh my god, like the bad night
Jennifer Fisher 42:21
came to you and your snacks. I'm the same fucking way I have this random bag of snacks and people are like,
Sarah Milken 42:27
Yeah, my husband my husband's like one did you turn into like a grandmother where you're like carrying snacks you carry your little creamer and coconut sugar in a Ziploc bag?
Jennifer Fisher 42:36
Yeah, here I have my thing right here. What do I have in here today? Well, that's a band aid. I'm gonna say I have my creamer my sugar things that I put in those little things, but I think I've used them all. Because I so
Sarah Milken 42:44
you mix all three things in a little baggie and carry them around like a grandmother. It looks like cocaine, but it's not totally so great. It's not I bought it because of you. It's the pink tin. What is that? CREAMER? Oh, good milk.
Jennifer Fisher 42:56
It works. Listen, it's better than having like a cup of black coffee. Although I've gotten used to black coffee. So another thing like if I can't get don't ever drink creamer from Starbucks or restaurants or anything guys at all has gums in it. It's all inflammatory, you're gonna drink it, you're gonna be bloated, you're gonna feel like shit. drink black coffee and carry coconut sugar around with you like I am. At first you kind of feel like a crazy person that you get used to and you're kind of like, and then everyone's asking
Sarah Milken 43:20
for it. Well, what I was saying was on the call if you're I carried that like little tub of like the outcome mine, whatever it's called minerals. Yeah. And I would take it out and it's just like, it's a jar of mineral powder. And then I would ask for like a spoon in a straw and I'd mix it in like the ice water and my my kids and my husband were like, really what the fuck is happening here and I'm like, if I eat Chipotle twice today, and we're actually having a decent dinner, I need to sort of have some greens with the athletic greens and I need to have some minerals or I'm gonna die on this trip. Yeah, you need you need your stuff. Yeah, and like I'm okay, I own my shit. And you can get a salad at Chipotle but they're just lettuce basically. I know but you're you're saying you're not supposed to eat beans but like you're not supposed to eat. You're not supposed to eat the rice beans. were my favorite thing to you. That was the hardest. Yeah.
Jennifer Fisher 44:13
I love beans. Refried beans, black beans, lentils, any of that was the hardest thing for me.
Sarah Milken 44:19
And I'm dying to know what kind of oil Chipotle use it's, I don't know. I'm sure it's canola. I can find out we have to find that out because if they I would like pay $2 We see that dressing that dressing is delicious. I you know,
Jennifer Fisher 44:33
I would never touch it now. I would never touch it.
Sarah Milken 44:39
Now. We had on that college tour. We had to visit Chipotle and every college campus. Kids love Chipotle. If there's
Jennifer Fisher 44:46
one on the corner of my street my kids get it all the time. That's another thing like my kids eat like regular kids. My kids are not like dying. My kids don't eat McDonald's. My kids don't eat subway. My kids don't eat. There's certain places that my kids refuse to eat. Just because we just tried we'd still like healthier choices. Yeah, yeah, it gets you totally all the time. There's nothing wrong with like, what's wrong with Chipotle? Yeah,
Sarah Milken 45:07
and you gotta you gotta live it up sometimes. I mean, because not everyone can do like Jennifer Fisher extravaganza, they're out with their friends and let them eat whatever they want. Okay, so if women have a midlife ah, like I did, so I created a midlife vagina podcast, basically, what's their first step? Like? What do they do? Like, what should I what should they do?
Jennifer Fisher 45:27
I mean, I think it depends on what you want to do. I think it depends on you know, your first step depends on does it require? Do you have to create a product? Or are you doing a service? Like, I think it depends on what you're doing. You can't just I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna make prank phone chargers, or whatever, whatever the hell it is. Or I'm gonna go out there and I'm going to help people by teaching them how to cook. I think it totally depends on what you're doing.
Sarah Milken 45:46
Do you think it's do you think finding a mentor or finding someone like who's already done something similar? You know, like, I'm sure you have jewelry, people come to you all the time. Like, how do you start your jewelry business?
Jennifer Fisher 45:59
I have a lot of people that are that are like, well, the best is when you get young girls that are on Instagram and are like so I want to start a jewelry brand like you so can you give me your manufacturers your AR and your they want to be just like you. Yeah, I came up in like an interesting time in fashion where I, I have my mentors were kind of people where I started the business on my own without, you know, I was an entrepreneur my entire life. Like I was the kid that my parents would go out of town and I'd sell avocados off of our tree to the Mexican restaurant like,
Sarah Milken 46:28
like my son, like somebody gave me a theragun for like a holiday gift. And he's like selling it on eBay. Because we have to I'm like, Who gave you permission to sell?
Jennifer Fisher 46:38
Also, that's great. That's a great trade. Yeah, that's so true. So I've always been like that, you know, I've always what can I sell? What can I make? And what can I sell? So that's sort of always been my MO, I think it really depends on who you are. I didn't need a mentor because I knew what I wanted to do. And I just wouldn't fucking did it like, but I think it depends, you know, if you're really kind of unsure, and you feel you need to talk about it. But part of my issue with mentors and people like that, when you're starting out, no one is knows exactly what it is that you want to do, and no one has been in your exact shoes. So the advice that you might be getting from that person who you think is maybe good advice might be biased off of failures that they've had my true their opinions of you and what you're doing like so I kind of you know, for me, I feel like you should just go and do it on your own. Go out there. The first step is if it's creating a product, create that product, put it out there and see what people say, feedback is the best thing in the world. Negative or positive, you learn from it. That's another thing, you cannot take it personally. You know, there's so many you know, people who like who put it out there then that they're so bummed out that someone hated what they did that they're never gonna do it again, like that's, that's no way to live your life, like fuck it. Like if someone doesn't like it, change it and do it differently and go back out there and do it again. And do it again until someone was like, This is great. I want my 10 friends wanted to Okay, now you're on to something.
Sarah Milken 47:54
I think what's hard for a lot of us is the idea. And I actually had a listen, when I asked people to send in questions came up quite a few times was like, as Jen, how you start small? Because it's really hard. You're like, for me, I'm like, Okay, I'm 45 years old. I have a PhD. I've been a stay at home mom for 17 years. Like I'm used to like being achiever an achiever, like how do I start, like from scratch? Like, it's like starting at a minimum wage job at like a restaurant and you're like, wait a second, I'm 45 years old, like, aren't I past this. And it's very hard to get that stuff past that starting small mentality.
Jennifer Fisher 48:33
I still every day though, which is so funny. I still look at my business and what I do every day, it still feels like I'm alone in my bedroom packing orders by myself. That's
Sarah Milken 48:42
funny. We all have that weird impostor syndrome, don't we? It's like, it's,
Jennifer Fisher 48:46
you know what I mean? It's like, it doesn't matter. You're still you're still doing the same thing. It's just different now. And you know what, you can still think that back that way when you were tiny. And I was me by myself in my bedroom doing it. And now I've got all of these employees, and we're still doing it. But it's like, it's no
Jennifer Fisher 49:02
different. How is it different?
Sarah Milken 49:05
I don't know. I just think that we all get so caught up in the oh my god, people are going to be like, Oh my god, Sarah, you just started an Instagram account. You have zero followers. I'm like, Yeah, but how else am I supposed to do it? And at some point, you just have to say like, I'm going to start even if I'm scared, I don't know how else to do it. Otherwise, I'm gonna be in the same place in five years. You can't live in
Jennifer Fisher 49:25
fear, like, you know, as somebody and it's, it's so hard now with Instagram and social media, because everybody sees every single thing that you're doing and how many how whatever it is you're doing and it's so easy for people to see your failure, but no fucking cares. Like, okay, you go and try and do what I'm doing.
Sarah Milken 49:42
Yeah, you know, no, I think it's an interesting thing. Because I mean, obviously like, I mean, I'm a pretty confident person. It seems like you are, and I feel like at this point, I'm like, you guys, you can't keep up with the Jones. You got to be your own Jones. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah. Like if you're Not your own Jones, you're always going to be looking to see like, who has the bigger house who has the nicer car who has this whose kids are going to Harvard or whatever it like never fucking ends.
Jennifer Fisher 50:11
And none of it really none of that matters. Any day you go home and what matters is it's your your kids are healthy and mature. You know what I mean? You have your you've got your family, you know,
Sarah Milken 50:21
when my son walked out the door this morning after leaving his pasta breakfast at from leftovers last night, and he's carrying all his baseball, shredded, and he closed the door and he goes, I love you. I was like, okay, my 17 year and a half year old son just told me he loved me spontaneously, like, I've done my job. That's really nice. You know, it's not all the time. Like, don't get me wrong. We're not one of those like habit families where we always say I love you. Like, you know, certain families are like that. That's our family.
Jennifer Fisher 50:50
We're kind of like that. Yeah, we're not we are. That's our we were a habit family. If that's what you call it. We're very much like that. That's part of like our greeting and goodbye. It's always like, I love you like,
Sarah Milken 51:03
yeah, see, we don't always do that. So when it does calm, I'm like, Oh, okay. I know that. I was like, That's my Mother's Day present right there.
Jennifer Fisher 51:12
So nice. Right? I said to my kids, this is so funny that you said that your Mother's Day presents. I said to my kids last night at dinner in the kitchen as we're sort of walking around, eating standing up or whatever the fuck is happening. And I was like, I was like, guys, all I want for Mother's Day. Is a picture with the two of you.
Sarah Milken 51:28
That's Oh my god. That's like a million dollars right
Jennifer Fisher 51:31
there. That you both approve that I can actually like that I can have that you guys both like Canadian approved. One is like my skin. My hair. I'm like, All I want is
Jennifer Fisher 51:43
a photo with the three of us, dad to just need to. Did you get it yet?
Sarah Milken 51:51
No. Okay, you're gonna have to post that when you get it.
Jennifer Fisher 51:55
I'm gonna post him like it's a miracle. It's literally a Mother's Day miracle. Oh,
Sarah Milken 51:59
you just like inspired me. Maybe I'm going to do that too. We should all
Jennifer Fisher 52:03
do for Mother's Day. Like can I have a photo please? With my two fucking kids? What but I didn't take that's not a selfie. Oh my god. And then it just just me and my two kids.
Sarah Milken 52:12
I know. My daughter's like, I don't like that filter. No filters on me. I'm like, okay, but I didn't sleep last night. So I need a fucking filter. I'm sorry. I'll just tell you what my daughter hates. I know what is that? I'm like, I'm sorry. I'm not as naturally beautiful. So beautiful. You don't need that. Am I no
Jennifer Fisher 52:30
thing ever but yeah, okay. I did not use them. Like I used to. I used to, like Paris is like, obviously my favorite. Yeah, we were in New York for a while and she was like, You look crazy. But like you can save stop using I know my kids. See you on your face.
Sarah Milken 52:46
Oh my God. Look, let's talk about the filter shift for a second because that's like such a hot topic. It's crazy. Like everyone's like talking about okay, I'm unfiltered. I'm this and I'm not and I'm against filters. This is my philosophy on it. Okay, I am always wearing makeup. I never lie about that. I'm gonna makeup or I'm wearing makeup and carpool and makeup to the gym. I have melasma issues, and they bug me and it's like my Achilles heel. And so it's like, for me wearing concealer on my Melasma is my thing. I'm sorry. Like, people give a shit about that. I don't know. But this is I don't know, idea. That's my whole thing is like high school is over, like live in your own lane. Don't worry about when I'm wearing makeup and got up five minutes earlier who fucking cares. But the thing with filters is I want to share what's going on in my day. I want to share what's going on in my podcast. And if I'm always looking for the perfect lighting, I'm never fucking posting.
Jennifer Fisher 53:40
It's so hard. You know, it's so funny. And everyone's like, you know, they're looking at their tic TOCs or looking all this stuff. I'm like, Girl, that girl's gonna ring right on.
Sarah Milken 53:47
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So it's like, like, there's a lot of women who I love who are like, I don't use filters, but they're also imperfect daylight or the golden hour of the day, or the ring light.
Jennifer Fisher 54:00
That's the best filter is that perfect like that, that five o'clock,
Sarah Milken 54:03
right? But like, my point is, if by five o'clock I'm like in a fucking nosedive, and I've already gotten nine texts about well, we're ordering for dinner. And I'm like, I'm not going to look for perfect light. So for me, it's like if I use like a light filter, I'm going to post my shit and that's the way I look at it.
Jennifer Fisher 54:21
I just think people need to like, this is the daily this is what we live in. And like who cares what people put on their photos or whatever, like it doesn't matter like your Instagram. It's not your it's not your vision. It's not your brand, like who fucking care it just I just it's so crazy.
Sarah Milken 54:36
Okay, what are your thoughts? Like I know like you do a lot of different things and I think that the assault thing was like a little weird and hard for you at first because you're like I'm a fucking jewelry designer. Why am I doing hard
Jennifer Fisher 54:47
for me? It was weird and hard for everyone else. Oh, interesting. Oh, I
Sarah Milken 54:51
had no problem with it. I'm like I thought it was like you're trying to like figure out whether it was like on brand or whatever.
Jennifer Fisher 54:57
No, not at all. I was like, Oh, I love that. I just find I love it. People are like that you're a jewelry designer doesn't make any sense. And I'm like, stop trying to put me in a fucking box. Like why do I have to live in this box of like, you're a jewelry designer and you should be making shoes and handbags next Oh, my God, I'm not doing that. I'm gonna make salt. And then I'm going to do home and then are you like a dabbler? No, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want what I feel like what feels right for my brand. That's not adapt.
Sarah Milken 55:24
That's, I mean, just saying like, you're willing to try new things. It's like a positive thing. It's like you're willing to put yourself out there and try new things.
Jennifer Fisher 55:32
I you know, it's not even so much about that. I think it's like, okay, this takes a long time for something to actually go to market in that packaging. And for that to actually work. So we knew it was working before we actually manufacture it. So I dabble it was just more like, Okay, let's do this. And then maybe you can say the different categories that we want to go into in terms of like condiments and other things like that. We'll be dabbling in
Sarah Milken 55:55
perfume.
Jennifer Fisher 55:57
Yes.
Jennifer Fisher 55:58
Tell me about the perfume. Every time I get in an elevator people always like, who smells like the cookie. It's always with this thing. Like my first my first MAC address was like, vanilla whatever@mac.com has always been my scent. I grew up in Santa Barbara, California. I had brother, a brother who was a surfer. I love the smell of sex sex wax. Anyone who surfs knows what that oh my god was like coconut. I love the smell of coconut. I love the smell of vacation. I wanted to create a sense, that was all of these different scents that I've put together for years to try to create my sense. And so finally, I was able to create during COVID My set so it's basically I would say it's like a cookie on vacation. Ooh, it's not queenly sweet, but it's a little bit sweet. It's got tonka bean. It's got a little pair. It's a little sandalwood, so it's a little musky. And it's amazing. And it comes in this little I just probe so
Sarah Milken 56:54
how long does it stay on for that's something that bugs me about perfu
Jennifer Fisher 56:58
this what that doesn't stay on long enough. Yeah, doesn't stay on very long. And I did that for I did that on purpose. It goes on very strong. In the secret is throw it on you. It's really cute. And it's a really good price point. It smells it smells like a vacation like it's vacation all year round. I love
Sarah Milken 57:15
that. Okay, so maybe I do have to go find a parking space in the dementia garage. Because if I ordered it might take too long.
Jennifer Fisher 57:23
Well, it's sold out. It's sold out. Two hours. It's sold out within the first two hours Netta portait is getting an order of it though. They're getting a small shipment and it's already on reorder and we have we have like 1000s on the waitlist already. It's fucking crazy, Sarah
Sarah Milken 57:39
that's crazy. I might have to use my connections. I don't know.
Jennifer Fisher 57:43
I think we can. I think we can help you. Okay,
Sarah Milken 57:46
maybe I'll start selling in the dementia parking garage. Okay, so everyone wants to know about your workout routine. Okay, break that shut down for us. Okay, so
Jennifer Fisher 57:57
when SoulCycle came out I was the girl I was like I used to run my bad knees and then salsa came out I'm like I'll never do it and then I turned into like you know I was there front row all the time with my bandana on and every single Lloyd Cole class and then the pandemic hit and I started doing peloton. So I did the peloton tread and I did the peloton bike
Sarah Milken 58:17
and I watched you sweating your ass off in your
Jennifer Fisher 58:22
working helmet. I was working so fucking hard. I was like it was just like every day I'm like, Okay, I gotta get up and do it. And then when the pandemic sort of started to come to a close, I was like, I don't like the way my body looks. I look really bulky. I want to look longer and I want to look later you're doing the bike and the tread. I was sort of hiking on the tread and I was doing the bike I love all the ally loved body classes and I love her classes. But I wasn't I bulk up and I'm you know, I just wasn't liking the way my body was looking. I was looking stocky. And so I was like, What am I gonna do? Okay, what says to elongate do Pilates. So I started looking around and I had some friends that went to Amy. And she's flat out in Pilates. She's amazing. And we sort of started chatting, and we started doing virtuals during the pandemic, and it completely changed my body even I do ever reformer. No and I don't even go I'd only do mat Pilates. I don't even go on the reformer. Oh, I do it three days a week 8am In my bedroom on a mat with her via FaceTime. Wow, but can we come to the fucking studio? I'm like, No, I don't have time. And why this is working. And it's completely changed my body. Like I it's amazing. The food thing also, but less is more. And if you have someone who's teaching you how to do these things with lighter, it's lighter weights. She always says it's working smarter, not harder.
Sarah Milken 59:43
So what is your week look like? What is your workout week look like? I do Pilates three times a
Jennifer Fisher 59:47
week for an hour. Okay, automat that's it. I don't touch a reformer. And it's completely changed my body. I think I'm taller actually to really that was shrinking. I think it's actually sort of stopped my shrink Ah,
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:01
because you know as we get to this age we compact a bit. Yeah, she
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:05
Amy is amazing. She's like the guru of like old school Pilates like She's incredible.
Sarah Milken 1:00:11
That's amazing. Okay, what about, like, I don't do cardio anymore? Oh, that's what I was gonna say how does that do not need to do cardio because you're eating so well.
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:21
I think that's part of it. It's 80% Food I'll never forget I had these dinners these guys that I work with dogs with in like the late 90s in LA. There's Dave and Steven. Do you know those guys were in Brentwood. They were these cool trainer guys. And actually I do. And so I used to work out with Dave and Steve. And they run up and down San Vicente.
Sarah Milken 1:00:42
Didn't they serve like a cappuccino? Or like espresso little sorbet with chocolate chips? I know exactly what you're talking about.
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:50
Well, those were Merengues Oh, like why don't I I don't have numbers there.
Sarah Milken 1:00:57
It's like a desserty thing.
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:59
There are by a Bucha. sante up above and they run by the yoga studio
Sarah Milken 1:01:03
that's still receiving still runs on San Basanti.
Jennifer Fisher 1:01:07
i Okay, so I've known those guys for a really long time. I love them so much. Someone tell them hi for me if they still talk. Oh my god.
Sarah Milken 1:01:13
Sandy foods the other day.
Jennifer Fisher 1:01:15
I love them. I say they're the nicest guys. Anyways, what Steven and Dave used to always say to me, they always say it's 80% Food Jen Yeah, 8% food. That's just trust me, you don't need to work as hard. It's 80% food. It's not about dieting. It's about putting the right food in. And at the time, I just didn't get it. And I'm like, you know, that was like free, gluten free and whatever. And I was, you know, drinking a lot and eating a lot and dating Matt LeBlanc and doing all kinds of crazy shit. And he definitely like not doing the right things. And I was like, I'm just gonna keep working out and it's gonna work.
Sarah Milken 1:01:50
Yeah, what about the weight situation because like bone density and menopause is a big deal. Like I had when I broke my wrist and flipped over a bike two years ago in Hawaii. That was cool. But I went I was like, You know what, I know. It was awful. So and it took my wrist forever to heal. I was like, This is so annoying. So I went to get a mammogram and in the same place, they do bone density. I was like, I'm going to just do my bone density scan. And he's like, you're overall good, but you have like a couple areas that are a little like osteopenia, ish and I was like, but I actually feel like most of us do have that and like the call to action is heavy weights. That sort of that so
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:33
I have friends that say that all the time. I think weights in general, I think you need to lift weights. I don't Yeah,
Sarah Milken 1:02:38
well, I mean, not crazy heavy, but like not a three pound dumbbell all day long. No, but I do I do really light weights with higher like higher repetitions. Okay,
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:48
I mean, so I you know, I'm wearing those weights when I'm doing my Pilates and I'm kind of you know, doing it the whole time. I think as long as you're lifting weights, as long as you're taking vitamins as long as you're getting enough calcium, you know, I You should see the vitamins I take
Sarah Milken 1:03:01
every day. I've seen that. It's literally like this. Crazy.
Jennifer Fisher 1:03:05
I also believe in that. I think that vitamins are really important. Supplementing is really, really important. I'll also sleep is so important. Yeah, anything at our age that's really hard. Falling asleep, the mind racing.
Sarah Milken 1:03:18
Oh, God, can you get your teenagers to take supplements? It's hard for me.
Jennifer Fisher 1:03:22
I kids don't like to take supplements. I know. Our it's really hard my son does. My son is on growth hormone. So my son, he'll take things just because he's a basketball player and he really wants it to work and you know all of that. It's a long story. That's a whole other podcast. But you know, so he'll take it and I think you know if it tastes okay, and it's like a gummy chewy, they'll take it
Sarah Milken 1:03:44
right. Minor minor like minor fine was swallowing they're just like, you're fucking annoying. We just had like a great sushi dinner and you're giving us like vitamin D supplements like nasty. I'm like, tell me a good time. If I give them to a breakfast. You hate me too. Like, there's no good time. Okay, so any secrets for making working out easier?
Jennifer Fisher 1:04:04
Can I be honest, I fucking hate working out now. I only enjoy doing Pilates. Kevin and I talk about this all the time. And he actually said this morning. And were you like checking me out? Or was I checking you out or something? And we were like, talking about something last night. Oh, so anyways, we were talking about how we both used to look very different. We but sure, yes. Can
Sarah Milken 1:04:28
you refresh your memory? Please, Kevin?
Jennifer Fisher 1:04:31
We're talking about politics is a little bit of commitment and some discipline, and you can make some massive changes.
Jennifer Fisher 1:04:37
Yeah, that's because it's not like I lost a ton of weight. I mean, I lost weight. It's more of just like consistency is key. And people have a really hard time with consistency as I did for 49 years of my life. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I always wanted a quick fix. I always wanted something to I wanted to take a magic pill. I wanted someone else to do the work for me. And then just Suddenly, I don't know what the fuck it is Sarah it's must be this midlife thing. Yeah. Okay, I have to do the work. There's nothing's gonna work.
Sarah Milken 1:05:07
No, honestly, Jen. That's the whole theme of this podcast. Because every single thing we do in life, if it's worth doing requires work, whether it's like having a relationship with your teenagers or getting spiritual or meditating, like, everything requires work. Yes.
Jennifer Fisher 1:05:25
And I didn't want to do the work. And it was that simple. And so suddenly, I decided, I'm going to do the fucking work. And then my body changed, my skin changed, like, everything changed.
Jennifer Fisher 1:05:37
It's weird. It's wild.
Jennifer Fisher 1:05:40
I mean, I do all this other shit too. But like, it's still who I am. And the way there's my just the way my body looks everything. It just it just morphed into something else because I'm consistent. Yeah, I eat consistently. I work out consistently. I'm doing things that I've never, maybe it's just a fucking maturity thing. And suddenly, I woke the fuck up and was like, Okay, it's now or never, because I assure shit, I'm not going to look like this in 10 years. So let's try to make the best of what we've got left.
Sarah Milken 1:06:05
And so do this. Kevin on board. I mean, I know he's keto.
Jennifer Fisher 1:06:10
He's part of the reason that I did it is he's been so disciplined our entire relationship, and I was always one that's like to get the fucking fries. Like, I'm gonna eat a burger like I, you know, come home, like drunk and get let's get a pizza. I used to do you know, I was that one. And he was always like, oh, Jen, I'm gonna, I'm gonna have a salad. But who knows?
Sarah Milken 1:06:27
No, no, it's so annoying, because my husband's like that, too. And I'm like, how do you until I did it with him? We're like a team about it. I love that. Because, you know, Jeremy ordered a weighted vest, our husbands would probably want to go out. I mean, I'm like, You're gonna go on a walk with me with a 20 pound weighted vest? You look like you work for the SWAT team. Like what's happening? You'd probably do that? No, but we ever go on a walk together like that. Okay, so he know we have a we like, we live in LA. It's different than New York City, like, whatever. So he asked
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:02
me all the time to go for a walk. But I say no, because we're gonna look like a couple that walks around. And they weren't matching fanny packs and walk
Sarah Milken 1:07:09
me back up all but you know what I did? So he would wear the weighted vest and I would take pictures of him and make fun of him on Instagram, whatever. And then I was like, fuck him. I'm gonna buy my own vest and humiliate him. So I buy this fast. It's an eight pound vest. Last week, I actually posted on Instagram. And he's like, you're not wearing that, are you? And I'm like, wait, what? He's like, you're gonna wear a weighted vest. I'm like, Yeah, you wear a weighted vest. He didn't put his on just, yeah, just to spite me. But literally, yeah. So now I'm like, oh my god, we become this couple of like the weighted vest. But this is really interesting. I went to this conference yesterday and ran into this woman who's 73 I haven't seen her in a long time. We're talking about exercise, my podcast, all this shit. And I'm like, oh, what kind of exercise you do whatever, because it was like a health conference. And she's like, You're not gonna believe this. But I actually walked like 10,000 steps a day with a weighted vest. No way swear. And I was like, why? Like, why is there so much like weighted vest synchronicity going on in my life? That's not something that's great. No, but it's like a crisscross in the back. So it's like more like have a waited on your shoulders. Look. So what's interesting about it is she said that eight years ago, she was diagnosed with like, osteoporosis. Oh, interesting. And they wanted to give her all these like weird supplements and all this stuff. And these injections, which kind of like fucks up your bone marrow? I've no idea. So she's like, I'm not doing any of that. I'm doing this on my own. So she got the weighted vest and she wears it five times a week. She went and got a bone density. She changed it completely reversed all of it. That's interesting. I know. And she goes, Sarah just wear the weighted vest around the house. Where does one purchase a way to Amazon? It's 30 bucks. Wow. Maybe I'll start wearing a weighted vest while I cook. You told me that it's so
Jennifer Fisher 1:09:10
sexy. I'll just wear the weighted vest and nothing. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That will be hot. I feel like Kevin my light. In my bra Robinson.
Sarah Milken 1:09:18
Yeah. Let's talk about hey, we have to talk about the kids marriage. Instagram. Okay, so your kids I think are the same ages as mine. Like Jake is 17 Marin is 15 Are you? Yes, we talked about this. Our kids are the same age. Yeah. 11 the night okay. Yeah, so the same like, yeah, exactly. Okay, so it's just, uh, you're in the thick of it, too. So that's always fun. How are your kids with Instagram? I mean, you started your Instagram stuff way earlier than I did. Like I'm only into this less than two years. So you started when your kids were younger and my kids are obviously teenagers at this point. So are they into Instagram? Do they hate when you post like what are the Instagram family roles?
Jennifer Fisher 1:09:58
Kids are not into it kids are into Tik Tok. Instagram is sort of like for old people like us like it's so fun now
Sarah Milken 1:10:03
meaning like, do they? What are their rules for you and posting there though them, they don't really have any
Jennifer Fisher 1:10:09
rules but my daughter doesn't like it when I look to filters. So that's sort of when I was filtering myself when I was cooking in the kitchen because that's shitty light and yeah, like a Paris filter and I still need to figure that out. We're gonna build a set my new office though, thank God. But you know, that kind of stuff my daughter will give me shit about my son doesn't ever say anything to me about
Jennifer Fisher 1:10:28
are you allowed to post them? Not really not without their approval. Okay, yeah, sometimes
Jennifer Fisher 1:10:33
my kids are now kind of getting into it. Now. They're kind of like, oh, you know, my friends saw me or my friend. And yeah, so now they're kind of like, okay, if I look cute, they'll Yeah, totally. It's changed. So now now they're, it's it's different. And like their friends want the earrings and the girls, the girls. My son's girlfriends. They want the Gothic initial and like the says they want the stuff. So it's changed for me because it is sort of tied to the business. So for that they're into it and family photos or they're fine with it. It's there used to my kids have grown up in it. Yeah, you know, so I've always been in a business in it. I think at one point when they were a little more awkward. They weren't into it. But now they're fine with it. They're sort of out of that phase. And you know, the braces are off and Yeah. Right. It's good to hear his character.
Sarah Milken 1:11:25
Oh, God, no, I totally get it. That's my guitar. It's like, if it's a good photo, and if they're in the right mood, then at work, you just chill to
Jennifer Fisher 1:11:33
Mike. I'm very lucky that my kids are very chill. They have a lot of Kevin's traits. So they're very, you know, he's very, like, even spirit like, Are
Sarah Milken 1:11:43
you kidding? My husband's like, so even keel that like when we get into a fight. He'll just say, I'm not even entertaining this. I'm not fighting, like really fight.
Jennifer Fisher 1:11:52
I mean, we work together. So that's a whole other foul. I
Sarah Milken 1:11:54
mean, we're not big fighters. But I like if I pick an argument, let's say, and he's like, I'm not doing this. And I'm like, that's making me even more mad that you're being so common. And what picker?
Jennifer Fisher 1:12:05
Are you a picker?
Sarah Milken 1:12:07
Look picker, but I'm an observer. Hey, it's
Jennifer Fisher 1:12:10
why are you thinking the fates? Well, no, it's
Sarah Milken 1:12:13
like if I'm like, he's like, What are we doing for Mother's Day? And I'm like, why is that my fucking job?
Jennifer Fisher 1:12:18
Well, welcome to my fucking world. My husband can't make a reservation to save his life.
Sarah Milken 1:12:21
That's what I'm saying. And that, like, kind of bugs me and he's like, Why is every mother's day or birthday? Like a test of my, like capabilities? I'm like, because it just is I don't know how better to explain it. I mean,
Jennifer Fisher 1:12:34
call it a Hallmark holiday or whatever they're gonna get make a reservation. I mean, Kevin's gotten better. We went through a phase where when I turned 50, I was like, Listen, you need to take me out to fucking dinner like, yeah, not romancing me like, this is not working. For me. This is not happening. Like, it's like, we're robotic. Like I'm not into this. And he wouldn't do this thing where he would take me out. And he would have flowers brought to me at restaurants, how many times that happened. Three times, delivered to the house. It was really sweet. He's still kind of doing that he's getting better. But like, you kind of the problem is, it's like you can't really change them. They either do that, or they don't. And I think they learn it from their parents. Like my father brought my mother flowers every week, constantly. Who knows what the fuck he was doing wrong, probably saw the flowers coming into the house, you know, and they would go on trips, which we do, which is great. But I think you also just can't compare yourself to other people's marriages. Like I think it really depends on how each of you was raised. How your homes were when you were kids. If it was a happy home, it was an unhappy home.
Sarah Milken 1:13:37
No, but just you made such a good point. And that's another point that I wanted to say to you is like, my husband, I've been like, I've known him since ninth grade. Like we've been. I know. So it's like, we're like an old married couple who like are still interested in each other. If that makes sense. That's cool. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, nothing. He never buys me anything or doesn't treat me well. I mean, like yesterday, he was basically my Uber and like, according
Jennifer Fisher 1:14:03
that's, that's kindness, like all that other shit is also like stupid material ship.
Sarah Milken 1:14:07
That's what he's saying. He's like, you just got a new wrong like three weeks ago. Like, that doesn't count for Mother's Day. And I'm like, it's nothing to do with like a ring or this or that. It's like that you just took like five minutes to model to our children. Even though Mother's Day is Hallmark and irrelevant. You took five minutes to model to our children that it's appropriate to recognize your mother on Mother's Day. Even if you think
Jennifer Fisher 1:14:31
as a as an important holiday. You can call it a Hallmark holiday, whatever it is, I do think it's important to recognize your mother.
Sarah Milken 1:14:36
Yeah, whatever. And it's all and that's the thing is like I'll say to him, like it may not be important to us like as adults, but like 100% You have to role model to your children how life goes. Or they're going to be limited. Like my son has been dating his girlfriend, their expectation would be that he doesn't have to ask her to prom Right? Like they're already a couple All right. And so when he brought it up to me, he's like, I should really ask her to prom even though she's my girlfriend. And I was like, of course you shot that was the craziest prom reveal ever, but oh my god.
Jennifer Fisher 1:15:13
Did you allow it poster? I didn't do shit. He did it.
Sarah Milken 1:15:18
How did he make that? That was fucking, uh, he went online. He I don't know. That's what I'm saying. So for him to make a call to me that he can't pay for something means that like, something's really gone wrong, because he's like my hustler kid who can like figure out everything. That means that like, the credit was impressive. Like the pins not working on this up. That banner showed up at my house. And I was like, Did I order a piece of furniture from CB two, because it was 20 feet wide, and 10 feet high. And he was huge. It was like the size of like half of the science building at school. And I was like, What are you doing with this? And he's like, I don't know, I'm just going to work it out. And I'm like, okay, and he goes, I might zip tie it to the building. I'm not sure. But I'm going to her talent show thing hers show at school. Tonight, I'm going to find a teacher who has a classroom on the third floor. And I said to my husband, I was like, what an amazing kid. Like, I don't want to give you any credit, Jeremy, but I'm just gonna say that. Those are the things that kids kind of learn in your house. And it's not about how much money you spend. But it's like, the energy you put towards something and showing someone that, like your girlfriend or your friend or whoever, it's even women supporting women, like showing up for people and like making people feel irrelevant, seen and heard. That's all we all want at the end of the day. You're right. You're right. You know, it's
Jennifer Fisher 1:16:42
like doesn't have to be a material thing. It can just be even just like it's a phone call. Yeah, it's something.
Sarah Milken 1:16:48
It's like you had a shit day. And like, I just want you to know that I'm here. You know, it's like the dumbest little things. And I think a lot of times we take that for granted. Okay, so what's your parenting style?
Jennifer Fisher 1:17:00
We're pretty chill and relaxed. Like we're just kind of we just hang like so our kids have never been thank God or kids have never been one's watch. Now they're gonna start getting in trouble. Right now. It's like the troublemakers now watch. They're gonna get expelled. No, no, no, no, they're just my kids are pretty mellow and chill. And so we try to just teach them to be nice people. Yeah. Like, you don't want Dick kids and my kids go to private school in New York City. And there's enough problems with and I'm not saying that it's a it's tough. Kids are assholes, you know. And so we try to teach our kids to be nice kids, my daughter, I don't know if I should talk about this year if she would want me to, but my daughter had a tough year one they all do. And so we really, we tried to teach her skills, she was an advocate for herself, and handle it, which
Sarah Milken 1:17:46
I'm glad you're present. And my save mine had the same exact thing. And the skills that she learned from that year, who are like trans, her whole life will take her through her life, her whole life. And she'll say that now. And she's different now. Yeah, she's
Jennifer Fisher 1:18:02
so much stronger now. And that stuff that you can't force as a parent to teach them that based off of what we've been through you it's only from them going through it on their own, that they can learn
Sarah Milken 1:18:15
and everybody gets it at their own time. And like, that's what's interesting about it, like my son's elementary school, like the kids were tough. Kids are everywhere. And so like, at a certain point, like he ended up switching schools for other reasons, because he wanted like more of like an artistic kind of school. But so he like always kind of like carried that bullshit around you know, of like things that happen in elementary school, whereas my daughter was like, you know, clean as an arrow through elementary school. Not really like any huge drama, whatever. Like her drama came eighth grade. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. And so but now that she's some more timing, like seventh eighth grade, same thing. Yeah. And it was like, during COVID. And it was like, weird, like, all this weird stuff. Like, because it was on Zoom for all of them, too. Yeah. And so but the experience is learn from that time, like, have helped her with her whole perspective. This year. Somebody pisses her off. She's like, and fuck you, goodbye. Now when she's the same thing. She's like, I could give a fuck by Yeah, that's how she is she's like, not worth my energy. That's her problem. Say yes. And we can't teach them that they have to go through that. 100% Like she'll say to me, that's a her problem. That's not a me problem. Like she has an issue with something. That's her her problem. And I'm like, I couldn't have taught that to her.
Jennifer Fisher 1:19:39
I mean, I've tried. I'd say
Jennifer Fisher 1:19:42
my daughters are so badass now because they're, I think that you know, my mom probably at the time because I went through something similar when I was I was later though. 10th grade when I went through in high school, and I had a tough year. And, you know, I think my parents wanted to try to help me doing it on my own would have been more helpful. Oh, yeah. So I think that now that we because I learned that young that now having my daughter be forced to deal with it on her own taught her that life lesson that she's going to be stronger, you know, for right now for the rest of her life because she did have to deal with it. And she did. And now it's what's so great is that issue is now leaving, and she doesn't even care if it stayed or
Sarah Milken 1:20:22
no, that's exactly how my daughter is to evolved perspective. Yeah, it's,
Jennifer Fisher 1:20:29
it's really hard and I felt so horrible, there's but there's nothing you can do kind of nothing with it. Now, it's not gonna be the last one. So
Sarah Milken 1:20:36
and that's the thing. It's like, the bullshit is gonna come up in high school, the bullshit is gonna come up in college and like, hey, let's move to Yeah, let's be real, like even I say to her all the time. I'm like, sir, mean women now. Like, it's not like, I'm already seven. And everybody's fucking nice. Ya know,
Jennifer Fisher 1:20:53
I deal with mean women daily, especially on Instagram. And then it's also like, just being in the business. Like, it's a competitive, it's just people are mean,
Sarah Milken 1:21:01
it's you, you have to figure out how to not care, not care, or like, it's impossible to not care, because we're all human go able to compartmentalize.
Jennifer Fisher 1:21:13
So, you know, I know I said, it's, and I said this to my kids and their younger, you know, mean, people come from people that are sad, inside, there's something going on with them. It's creating this, you don't know what exactly, but whatever it is, they're putting that onto you. So it has nothing to do with you. You know, also like, stop fighting yourself. If someone's mean, it's because of them. It's not because of you, whatever they're seeing you that that has its has nothing to do with you. And that's also a really good lesson to teach your kids early on.
Sarah Milken 1:21:35
Right, but they don't know it until they know it. Yeah, but then they do they fully understand it. But I'm saying once they've lived it, then it like completely resonates and makes sense. You know, and I think that's the beauty of it. Okay, so who in your house is like the puberty? Sex talker?
Jennifer Fisher 1:21:51
Okay. Yeah, me two things. Oh, Kevin. So
Jennifer Fisher 1:21:55
Kevin went to college never having to talk. Oh, okay. I talked about it all the time. Like, my kids are like, Mom, no, please stop. Yeah, I'm that one. I'm like, you know, talking about boobs, vaginas. Or whatever you want to talk about? I'm your girl. Yeah. And now they'll they come to me. That's what they come to me for. So I am the intimate. I need help with this. I don't know. Your Mom, mom, can Can you meet me in your room?
Sarah Milken 1:22:18
Yes. Yeah,
Jennifer Fisher 1:22:21
it started out or like, I don't you know, that kind of thing.
Sarah Milken 1:22:23
I'm the one. But you know, what you interesting is that requires? Like, that's a lot of work to like, people are like, Why do your kids tell you so much? I'm like, because I've created that line of communication. And almost forced it not forced it in a bad way. But like, Hey, you guys, we're talking about vaginas right now. Like maybe not in a pub. Like maybe it's not like at the dinner table in fourth grade. You know, maybe at that time it was individual. Now I'm a little bit more, yeah, whatever. But it's that it's those moments that you create with them that open those lines of communication so that they can talk to you. I just
Jennifer Fisher 1:22:59
don't understand. And this is my thing. And everyone's always like, John, you're such a like, you act like such a dude. And I hate saying that because I don't talk to a man but like, I feel like I What is the big deal and talking about? vagina has penises shit, like anything like we all do it people, every single person who is alive is dealing with some some form of any of this. So why is there a problem in discussing it?
Sarah Milken 1:23:25
Oh, my kids think that I'm like, they're like, why do we have to talk about poop at the dinner table? I'm like, I don't know. I'm not specifically trying to talk about it. It's just coming up and like, Get over yourself. I don't know.
Jennifer Fisher 1:23:36
I just think all that stuff isn't a big deal. And my kids don't really think it's a big deal anymore. Because I think I just sort of like it's just,
Sarah Milken 1:23:41
it's not a big deal. Yeah, I mean, I was listening to some like menopause podcast thing the other day, and my daughter and her friends gotten the car. They don't want it like they're like, Oh yeah, Tara and the flexible neurotic. Like, it doesn't even like faze them anymore. It's like CBD for your vagina. And they're like, laughing You know what I mean? Like, and I think that that's part of like, normalizing these topics and these conversations
Jennifer Fisher 1:24:05
that shouldn't be normalized. There's no reason to not talk about these things. Like what is the big fucking deal and I
Sarah Milken 1:24:10
think it's funny that Jeremy's like, I don't know if Kevin's like this He like, he's sort of like a potted plant I call him or like, I don't know, it's like, he pretend that he's part of the conversation like side in the corner to be like a present parent, but like, there is no chance he's having that conversation.
Jennifer Fisher 1:24:28
Kevin gets involved Kevin's different Kevin will totally be a part of the conversation and he sometimes will
Sarah Milken 1:24:33
leave but Jeremy's involved in it if you ask him a question, or if he's like this, like the side guy, but he's not going to be the lead speaker. Right? But it would it's because that's like our specialty. It's like nicely like I'm not the lead speaker on sports, you know?
Jennifer Fisher 1:24:53
About that 90% of the time, which is why I get less time with my own i i know, you know, it's just she just Excellent sports to and now she's loves college sports I mean, but it's it's but I'm the one that's like sitting back there. I'm the potted plant next. I
Sarah Milken 1:25:06
don't know mean either. I'm like, Wait, please for UCLA like I don't even know what you're talking about oh my god, but it sounds like you're your kids know that you're like a cool you think of you as a cool parent. Wait,
Jennifer Fisher 1:25:17
I have to tell you I got a text from my daughter when I was in Miami. I have to read it to you. So this text came in I read it out loud to all my girlfriends and I got this was honestly the best fucking gift I could have gotten on my birthday. Happy birthday, Mommy. I love you so much. And you were the best mom I could ever ask for. I can't wait to see you today and make all of your birthday wishes come true. I love you so much. PS I do think you're a cool mom.
Jennifer Fisher 1:25:38
Ah, see God is the best and then I got then I got to you know in a birthday hat. Ah,
Sarah Milken 1:25:49
so good.
Jennifer Fisher 1:25:51
All right, but like, you're like thinking you know, I think they they're starting to kind of like feel that way. For a while. They're kind of like,
Sarah Milken 1:26:01
like no I know believe me because my daughter like will send me messages all the time. She's like, what's going on in your Instagram? What the fuck like why did you post that? But it's it's it's out of like a weird love to I think they're protecting you. Yeah, and it's like she's not like being mean but she's like that outfits like not it like when you posted the bathing suit photo. Did
Jennifer Fisher 1:26:20
you get shit for that? No. For my kid Yeah,
Sarah Milken 1:26:24
no, no, I think so. Oh, but you see your kids weren't like oh my god. They’re used to it nothing fazes them.
Sarah Milken 1:26:38
Hey, peeps, it's me again. I listen to this episode with Jennifer Fisher jewelry designer, entrepreneur and kitchen and recipe guru and basically influencer. So I could summarize the golden nuggets for you to have actionable items to start using today. I know that when I listened to a long podcast episode, I'm like, oh my god, I fucking love that. And then I can't even remember the specifics later. That's why I come back and do a golden nugget summary. There are so many golden nuggets from my conversation with Jennifer that went on for three and a half hours that I actually made this a two part episode. Part two is going to be released next week. So don't forget to look out for that because it's so good. Okay, in this episode, part one, we discuss how Jennifer juggles her business, family midlife and basically I mean from my perspective, her fucking fabulosity. Anyway, Golden Nugget Number one, don't be afraid of failure. Jennifer explains that the reason so many women don't act upon their midlife issues, as I call them is because they're afraid of failure. She assures us that just because something doesn't work out that it doesn't mean it's a failure. Jennifer suggests that if you keep trying something over and over and it's not working, then you might have to change directions and try something different. It can be as simple as modifying something really small. You never know. For example, if there's negative feedback with a product that you created, then use the feedback to your advantage. You can always take what you've learned and make adjustments. We need to try not to take negative feedback. So personally, because it sometimes just helps us redirect we don't always have to jump ship. Jennifer says you can't be afraid to put yourself out there and take a shot. Because you'll never know if you don't try Golden Nugget number two, listen to your intuition. Jen says that when you're starting your midlife passion project that you should listen to your gut and not let other people's opinions sway your decision making. I think in this podcast, we talked about this a lot. It's like the fucking peanut gallery. We think everyone's sitting around and judging us. And of course, there are some people here in there who are but people have their own lives and their own fucking midlife issues to deal with. If they're spending a lot of time thinking about you, then they need to find something else. I mean, come on, just because your journey is feeling like a little bit rocky doesn't mean that what you're doing is wrong. You have to listen to your intuition. She explains this by saying that no one knows exactly what it is that you want to do. And no one has been in your exact shoes. You have to take whatever your vision is, and run with it. Golden Nugget number three, don't let people put you in a box. Jennifer said that when she was starting her business there were so many people that were trying to tell her what should she be doing or making jewelry and nutrition didn't quite go hand in hand. And that didn't stop Jennifer. She explains that there are going to be people that think they know what's best for your company, what's best for you. And they're going to suggest this, that and the other. But if those products and suggestions don't feel right to you and your brand, then don't do it. In our case. If you don't have a business, your brand is you if it doesn't resonate with you then don't fucking do it. Some people are going to be runners, some people are going to be polite Audis whatever it is, you don't have to take on other people's expectations. You have to make what it is representative view your brand your own personal identity. Nobody fully understands that except for you. Bottom line, do what's comfortable for you and don't let people put you in a box. Golden Nugget number four, there's no magic pill beeps. If you want to change to happen with your body that Jennifer says there's no magic pill. You have to put in the work plain and simple. Nobody's going to do it for you. I mean, we talk about this a lot in this podcast, Amazon ain't coming to drop off a midlife self reinvented identity. It's just not happening. We have to do the work. Jen explains that when she reached midlife, there was a spark in her that made her determined to make serious changes with her nutritional lifestyle. She felt tired and sluggish. Her sex drive was kind of blocked, her skin seemed dull, and she was sort of like half assing it with her health. She said that making consistency key is something that helped her she struggled for 49 years to create the feeling in her body that she so enjoys right now. And yes, it is work in her midlife. freemax Jen says that she's consistently eating the things that she should be eating and doing the necessary workouts for her body. What works for her doesn't mean it's going to necessarily work for you. It's finding what works for you. While going on this journey. She details that her body and skin change and sex life change for the better. Jen says it's now our never baby, golden nugget. Number five, normalize awkward conversations with your children. She and I both have teenagers the same age we had a great talk about the sex talk with your kids. I mean, honestly, it's fucking awkward. Of course it is. Think about how awkward it is for your kids to talk to you about it. They're just as nervous as you are. It's our job as parents to normalize these conversations so that our kids can feel more comfortable and trusting us when talking to us. Topics like sex manscaping periods or school drama have been viewed as taboo to speak about candidly between kids and their parents. But these are the natural things in life that should be normalized Gen explains that creating these moments of honesty and normalcy with your kids will open the lines of communication, making them feel more comfortable reaching out to the gold is dripping off these nuggets. Grab it use it there are three things you can do. First, fucking subscribe to the podcast. Don't just listen to an episode here and there. Subscribe. When you subscribe. Apple knows and then more people hear about the podcast. It's the way that small podcasts like mine grow person by person. Second, share it with some friends who might like midlife shed. And third write an apple review. Oh my god, you guys reading reviews is so fucking annoying. It's an extra step. I totally get it. Yuck, yuck, yuck. If you want this podcast to grow like I do, please write a review. It's not that big of a deal. So many of you guys send me great DMS thanking me for the podcast. And I'm like, just cut and paste that into the apple podcast review. Where you listen to the podcast. You scroll to the bottom it says write a review in purple letters literally cut and paste your message into there. If you screenshot it and send it to me, I'll post it let me know whether you want it tagged or not tagged. Again, you guys, I respond to all DMS. If you're getting a response, it's from me, I'm the only one on my Instagram. And please stay tuned for part two. That's coming out next week with chabner for fucking Fisher. It's just as good as part one. Oh, and of course, follow my instagram at the flexible neurotic Talk soon.
Part 2
Sarah Milken 0:04
Hey peeps, welcome to the flexible neurotic podcast. I'm your host Dr. Sarah Milken. Yeah, you heard that right. I'm a real PhD doctor. Long, long ago like last fucking year. I was sitting in the midlife pump wondering, was this it for me? That day I realized I needed to get off my ass and start my midlife remix. I dusted off my PhD wipe the menopause, sweat off my forehead, grabbed my golden shit shovel and started digging deep to all my midlife bitches. It's not just love coffee and hormones that get you through your midlife remix. It's action steps. Let's do this. Hey, peeps, welcome back to part two of my chat with Jennifer fucking Fisher jewelry designer, entrepreneur, kitchen and recipe guru. In part two, we dive even deeper into the juicy midlife advice and shit. I mean, honestly, we talk about libido, how her nutrition changed her libido, her body and how so many things have improved in her mid life by just choosing her giving ZeroFOX and changing her nutrition. We get into talking about teenagers raising teenagers, we continue that conversation, and she gives us her bottom line advice on the aging process. And midlife shit. If you haven't listened to part one. Go back and fucking listen, that part one episode was off the hook. So many fucking downloads. It was crazy. So many messages, bananas. Jennifer is badass. She's inspirational, motivational, and you kind of just want to like get up, get outside of your box and just start doing shit. The golden nuggets are endless. So we're going to dig in. And if you haven't heard part one, like I just said, go back and listen, you're missing out. Here we go with part two. Let's Talk About Kevin for a second. Obviously, you guys have been married for 1000 years, like my husband and I your spend more than enough time together.
Jennifer Fisher 2:14
Yeah, we work together. It's like, how do you keep that shit going? Marriage wise. I mean, yeah. And
Sarah Milken 2:21
like libido wise and like, just like you said, like just keeping it together?
Jennifer Fisher 2:25
Well,
Jennifer Fisher 2:26
it's funny. I don't know, there's something else about 50 where like, I also changed. Like, got a little more sex, like sexual and like doing things and like, you know, sending sending nudes and shit like that. Sorry. It's totally sending them totally sending. And he's like, yes, exactly. So like, and maybe it's the maybe it's the diet, maybe it's the exercise, maybe it's whatever. But like, that kind of stuff is really important. And we talk about it all the time. We have a lot of sex. It's the truth we do. It's just part of who we are as a relationship more now than we used to event and it's just I think it's really important.
Sarah Milken 3:03
I feel like a lot of women this age have a hard time with like spontaneous arousal.
Jennifer Fisher 3:08
I don't have that problem. Well, so
Sarah Milken 3:09
what are you taking? And what are you doing? Because I'm not taking
Jennifer Fisher 3:12
anything? I'm telling you. It's this weird thing. I think it's the food. I Sarah I think it's the food. Okay, where to God, everybody improve your sex life? The way that I am telling you
Sarah Milken 3:22
Wait, are you in menopause? Where are you in all that?
Jennifer Fisher 3:25
I'm not in any of it yet. I'm in parenting. I'm not there yet.
Jennifer Fisher 3:30
So it's probably gonna hit me like brick and brick shithouse then I'll be on with you next year. And I'm back fog. Yeah, terrible. But yeah, now I think this anti inflammatory is anti aging. I think it's, Can I be honest, I feel like I was really going into it in when we were going when we were kind of going into COVID as I go fuck. Here we go. That was part of the reason of 316 this and I feel like it reversed it in a weird way. And it slowed it down. I mean, I'm sure
Sarah Milken 3:55
it has. It's amazing. Because it's like you're basically like turning inflammation upside down.
Jennifer Fisher 4:01
Yeah, it's entirely the food. It's changed my libido. It's changed everything.
Jennifer Fisher 4:07
Right? You have sex in the house when your kids are home. Isn't that like so? We have a lock on our door. We don't we're not like doing it like eight o'clock at night. Like after dinner like I know but my kids are up late and I'm always like, oh ours like but we also you know we're we you know Oh, here he comes often it
Sarah Milken 4:36
is he naked? What's happened? He's shaking his
Jennifer Fisher 4:39
head. Yes. And he generally goes
Sarah Milken 4:43
lots of afternoon sex right? I'm sure.
Jennifer Fisher 4:47
I'll take it whenever I can get it.
Sarah Milken 4:48
Oh my god. I love it. No, because I think that I think libido and all the sex stuff at this age is really hard for a lot of women.
Jennifer Fisher 4:55
I know. I know. And I don't want to downplay it and I'm not trying to
Sarah Milken 4:59
hurt you. You might have been in a different situation like you said, had you not changed your diet and I really
Jennifer Fisher 5:04
think I was going there. I felt I didn't want to have sex. Like I just didn't feel sexy. I didn't feel good. I felt terrible all the time. I was always tired. It was a really bad feeling. And I think that's part of the reason why when I am I made these like small tweaks in my diet, and I started to kind of instantaneously feel better. I'm like, what is happening like this is, it's like my entire body just recalibrated.
Sarah Milken 5:28
And how long do you think it took you from like the time you did like you started the Wilk whole thing to like now?
Jennifer Fisher 5:34
Well,
Jennifer Fisher 5:35
I mean, I it was a pretty instant feeling when I when I really cut those things out of my it was for me, it was the it was the brain fog. I was forgetful. I was really grouchy. And when all of that it was almost like this cloud like this, like giant rock was lifted off my head. And I, I felt I was my mood improved. And I was like, Oh my God, all that shit that I was starting to feel that I thought was menopause went away. And I just It gave me the drive to want to continue it. Yeah. And then I just kept feeling better and better. And my body started to change. And my skin started to change and everything. 360 and I was like, this is there. I'm never going back. I'm never going back. Why would I feel the best that I've ever felt my entire life at 51.
Sarah Milken 6:18
That's amazing. So if you go to Paris or Italy or your fucking asking what kind of oils are in the past, like you're not eating?
Jennifer Fisher 6:25
So funny. Yeah, so I just went to Paris, right when we were coming out of COVID with my two girlfriends from LA and we went and we that we all eat the same way. And we ate a lot of seafood. We ate meat, you know, we went to the other rahbar places had tons of raw seafood, tons of wine. I didn't touch one piece of bread or butter. I didn't want to it's a mindset. It's totally it's not a diet. It's a full lifestyle mindset, it's you have to completely reverse the way that you thought your entire life.
Sarah Milken 6:52
So if somebody wanted to start this, it just all seems overwhelming. You're like, Okay, I'm standing in Whole Foods or Erawan. And like Jennifer Fisher said this and like, how do I start that? Like, where do you start and all that, like, what is the fucking day look like? Like, even if you're not cooking it in? You're just putting like, putting hummus on the thing. You can have, oh, yeah, you can have hummus.
Jennifer Fisher 7:15
You can make cauliflower hummus, have the sickest recipe for cauliflower hummus, it's fucking delicious. So it's on the website. So under the recipe section of the kitchen. So what I what I tell a lot of people, as I say buy the book, and other people like I don't want to buy the book, that's fine. Okay, if you don't want to buy the book,
Sarah Milken 7:32
like, I mean, it's a $25 investment in like something that people don't
Jennifer Fisher 7:36
like to read, okay, fine, you don't like to read, that's fine. You don't want to follow we'll call fine, whatever, I don't care. So what you need to do is you need to go into your refrigerator and it's gonna it's gonna cost a little bit because you have to reset your entire life, you have to take some garbage bags, and you have to take all the food out of your refrigerator that has any gums, any bad sugars, any bad oils, and let me let me tell you, it will be your entire refrigerator, including your freezer and your pantry. You can donate that food if you want to. If it has not expired, donate it somewhere and start fresh. And you can go on to
Sarah Milken 8:09
make that fucking list. My life will be a lot easier.
Jennifer Fisher 8:14
Last Okay,
Sarah Milken 8:15
I'm gonna text Nina
Jennifer Fisher 8:17
moment bliss. Okay,
Jennifer Fisher 8:19
okay, I'll make you the list. But so clean it Okay, so because that one's like, I can't help it. I get home. I'm drunk. I want to eat this or I get home. I'm tired. At the end of the day. I don't want to make this. If you don't have it in your house, you're not going to eat it. And stop ordering fucking takeout. Stop it.
Jennifer Fisher 8:33
It's so hard. Stop it unless it's a shimmy. Oh, great. We're all this show. We
Sarah Milken 8:38
actually you know, it's funny. Yesterday I went to the fish market and got the whatever you call it like the sushi grade salmon. And my son who's like obsessed with sugar fish, of course was like, Wait, how much did this cost? And I was like, Oh $19 But it was like enough for all of us. And he's like, wheat, that amazing salmon that we just ate was $90 for
Jennifer Fisher 9:02
the fish was like one piece of sugar fish. Yeah, and
Sarah Milken 9:05
he goes oh my god, I should have this every night.
Jennifer Fisher 9:09
Great you can stop it. Santa Monica. Exactly. Oh, yeah. grade salmon and tuna.
Sarah Milken 9:16
But it was so funny that it was like I mean like something simple like that I can do but sometimes to be honest, I look at your cooking and I'm like that's like so many
Jennifer Fisher 9:24
Hawkins so what honest is there it can be a fucking can of tuna from Trader Joe's. It doesn't have to be even $19 piece of salmon and so many people say to me they complain it's so expensive, you know, blah blah blah. So you can go to Trader Joe's you can buy the night you know all the nuts that you think that you're eating that are that they're all They're all like roasted in sunflower and safflower oil. So you go to places like Trader Joe's you can go to places like I don't have an Aldi here but there's like an Aldi. You can go and get things that are not crazy expensive and do it still. You can like my list they'll send you once I posted a lot of Trader Joe's stuff.
Sarah Milken 9:56
Okay, I know if I could walk into Trader Joe's with a curated list So that would make my life easier than scrolling through my phone for the screenshots.
Jennifer Fisher 10:04
Okay, I'll make the list I'm going to LA next week I'll make fucking list on okay,
Sarah Milken 10:08
you're gonna do that okay, so breakfast you wake up I know you're an intermittent faster whatever.
Jennifer Fisher 10:14
No, it's weird so I love breakfast but I have now my body has reset itself to where I just want coffee in the morning. I don't want to eat because I've noticed my body is so clean now that I noticed when I put food in before 12 Or one I'm sluggish Hmm there's a method to that and I'm not a full I'm not full fucking keto either. I'm not a full perfect any of this shit. I just do it how it works for me, which is how everyone else should do it. So I tested it like I love a fucking avocado toast in the morning who does it with a poached egg? And I'll make that if I listen to my body. Like if I'm hungry I eat that's my other rule. I tell everybody if you're hungry, eat something you shouldn't ever I
Sarah Milken 10:53
don't think a lot of us know what it feels like to be hungry because we're eating all the time.
Jennifer Fisher 10:56
Well that's another thing you know and so that's another thing you have to really realize what hunger is are you emotionally eating? Are you stress eating you know? What is it Why are you Why do you want to eat try to have a glass of water try to have a tea try to have something before you go and you go and make yourself something that's 90
Sarah Milken 11:13
to 90 and I also need a nighttime ritual Jen.
Jennifer Fisher 11:17
I like to eat at night
Jennifer Fisher 11:17
I and I also don't believe that like everything you eat fast. And I have friends that are like 16 hours all those crazy stuff. I don't listen to shit last night I was drinking almond milk out of the fucking bottle in my refrigerator at 1130 at night on it I showed it on Instagram and I had some fucking crackers and my great my vegan cheese I was hungry so if you're hungry you need to eat like my dinner was small and I was hungry so I made I got up and I was like Kevin we were watching we crash and I was like I'm I'm hungry I need something and Kevin went to sleep and I went in the kitchen and I ate something
Jennifer Fisher 11:49
nothing wrong with
Sarah Milken 11:50
so you don't you're not you're not perfect all the time but no way
Jennifer Fisher 11:55
yeah no you if you're
Jennifer Fisher 11:57
hungry you need to eat you should never starve yourself diet culture is the is the most fucked up thing in the entire world and I grew up in the middle of it eating shitty processed bars and shitty processed protein powders thinking that was the way to go and that was health
Jennifer Fisher 12:10
that's going to show you so you may have to do a launch for yourself. Yes. If I'm not going to a work lunch
Jennifer Fisher 12:16
I go to a work lunch I go to places that I know will cook my food you know like Santa Ambrose they'll cook my food we do a lot of work lunches there are lower those places they'll they'll have sashimi or they'll cook our food and olive oil for us they know us we go to those places that like we trust I go to work lunches all the time with Nina we have salads, we have poached eggs, we have salmon, we have all that stuff. If I'm home I'll make my spa tuna I'll make a salad. You know just gonna have like lead or some shit net. You should be eating if you're eating tuna as much as I am skip chat because skipjack is better for you because it's less mercury than albacore. So you should watch the tuna a little bit. Yes,
Sarah Milken 12:54
I suppose. So it's not lead. It's mercury. I'm like, wait, what?
Jennifer Fisher 12:59
It's mercury. Oh yeah. You shouldn't be eating tuna everyday for lunch. Now, what I'll also do too, is I'm not afraid of eating. Like if I make Shrimp. I'll make like 40 pieces of shrimp like I'll do like a whole frozen bag. That's another thing. All of your fish and your shrimp needs to be wild caught. Nothing fundraised, so it's like small little tweaks like that, that you're not really used to that you'll just grab something at the grocery store thinking you're picking the healthy thing. You have to slow down when you grocery shop and you have to read every single thing that you put into your cart. And I admittedly was like wrong. I was buying mustard for years that had shitty oil in it and I didn't realize it has sugar in it. And I just thought Dijon it's totally
Sarah Milken 13:34
fine. And I still until I get your list. What's the right monster?
Jennifer Fisher 13:38
Oh, I have this new one. I'll post it. It's um, it's made by it's the primal kitchen company. It's like their sub company. It's actually pretty good and the 365 makes not a Whole Foods makes not a bad Dijon as does primal kitchen. Some people don't like their Dijon, but I like it. Okay, that's good time. Oh, kitchen has a great brown mustard that I
Sarah Milken 13:57
feel like if I had a Jennifer Fisher consultant or like a, like a we'll call consultant like someone who did come into my house and go, Okay, for this amount of money, I will just clean your shed and like clean out your pantry actually. And like, give you the 7000 items that you need. Like I wouldn't be all over that. For me. It's the mental gymnastics of like,
Jennifer Fisher 14:21
that's so many steps.
Jennifer Fisher 14:23
It's you're exhausted thinking about the work that has to go in. Yeah,
Sarah Milken 14:27
it's like too many things. It's like, Oh, I'm gonna run a marathon and I'm going to do it tomorrow. Like that's how it feels. I think for a lot of people.
Jennifer Fisher 14:34
I understand that
Jennifer Fisher 14:36
I get that's what I get a lot on Instagram. That's mostly how I get on Instagram people that are like I just don't want to do it. It's too much work.
Sarah Milken 14:42
Like it's like my it's like my emergency medical kit. Like if you sold like a box it was like these are the 17 condiments for your house. Like I'd be like signed my ass up. That's where
Jennifer Fisher 14:54
I want to make all those condiments myself and I want to be able to sell you that box of those. Yeah.
Jennifer Fisher 14:59
I Now when I made that would be amazing. I also want to do frozen foods, but then you have to learn how to defrost. Well you don't you don't? Why? Why would
Jennifer Fisher 15:11
love to do frozen meals that are healthy that you could actually they don't have a bunch of shipment?
Sarah Milken 15:15
Yeah, sign me up for that one. Right. I made up for that one. Okay, let's go back for a second to a friendship conversation. I was with Dr. Ellen Vora yesterday who is a holistic psychiatrist based out of New York. She's one of my podcast guests. And we she was on a panel and she was talking about how the single most important factor in sort of midlife satisfaction is connection, human connection. And you were saying that in midlife, like you've created a larger friend group, a different friend group, tell us about that. So
Jennifer Fisher 15:54
it's so funny, Kevin, and I were having this conversation last night and I, I even said, on my birthday post on Instagram, I said, you know, there's never, you know, there's something that is so important about having a large, diverse group of friends at this age, we all do something different for each other. And for the fact that I had 14 women come together for my birthday in a different state. And everybody got along, which was amazing. And everybody made new friends. Like, for me, the best birthday gift out of that is that all my friends got new friends from that. Yeah, that's amazing. How fucking cool is that? I love I don't think I would have appreciated that, thank you, I don't think I would have appreciated that at a younger age, you're gonna be I think it took to be the sage for me to look around and be like, Fuck, this is so cool. I am so happy right now. And I'm so grateful that I have each and every one of these women that to me, we all serve different purposes. And we all we all connect and support each other in different ways. And I was saying the same thing to Kevin, you know, Kevin has a different friend group than I do. And I was just saying, you know, he needs to take the time to do what I've been doing over the last year. But you mean putting the time in? It takes time and it takes effort and you have to go, you have to be like, Okay, let's go have a lunch. Let's go have a drink. Let's go have a breakfast alone. It doesn't need to be a group of six girls out partying like you need to have those solid connections where you're spending time with people one on one, and you're able to actually have a conversation or a phone call. You know, those are what we really need at
Sarah Milken 17:21
this. Yeah, it's like it's like call someone for their birthday. Don't text them. And I think we've gotten really bad with that.
Jennifer Fisher 17:29
Yeah, I'm guilty of that. I'd rather see you on a Wednesday for like a quick something a drink before I go home or something before you go home and start your day. And I think the diversity is really important you can't have all of your friends can't be all your school mom friends, like they can't see your group of friends. You need some friends that work in different you know, that work in different like maybe a doctor hello, you know, or you know, different people that have different backgrounds that are not connected and incestuous and, and know everything about you. I'm saying so no, I think it's so true. came to me in LA like the most perfect time. And they're so different than all of my friends that I have in New York and they give me such a special important piece of themselves and I can give them importance but she's my son those
Sarah Milken 18:16
are more recent friends the LA friends in the last year
Jennifer Fisher 18:20
oh my gosh score.
Jennifer Fisher 18:22
They've changed my life. Those are the two girls that I jetted off to Paris with it all my friends in New York and LA like who the fuck are they were like their two pitches who are like sure, I'll fucking go to Paris for three days. Let's go because none of you are
Sarah Milken 18:38
interesting. And wait, but one why will they do it? Do they? I mean, what makes them different?
Jennifer Fisher 18:43
They're just different. They're all different and that's what's cool and there's nothing wrong with my friends that can I know I get it. That's what's so cool is that to find people like that is such a gift this late in life. I I'm so grateful for that.
Sarah Milken 18:57
And I also like I heard you talking about how your kitchen account is different for you than your other accounts and has created this sort of like open line of communication like before you weren't like messaging people about their personal lives. It's like you're talking about hoops or this or that. And this the kitchen account has like a different feel for you. Lastly, like about divorce
Jennifer Fisher 19:19
advice people ask me about like sex advice people ask me about like, what
Sarah Milken 19:25
it's like a bunch of high school girlfriends on the kitchen account and I respond. That's not one of my team. I respond to every single DOI so and a mine is not even close to yours. And I do and it's a lot of work and people are like, Why do you do that? Why don't you have someone respond? I'm like, because for me, especially like growing a podcast and like listeners, it's all about personal connection. So if somebody messages me, it's about that personal connection, they're not connecting with me to to connect with an assistant.
Jennifer Fisher 19:52
Right? And for someone
Jennifer Fisher 19:54
to take the time out of their day to give a fuck about what we're doing. And to ask us a question is Really, so like I respect that and I don't take that for granted at all because I don't do that that often to people and if someone's gonna take the time out of their day to message me a question, What an asshole to not respond. That's how I feel. So I enjoy speaking to the positive ones. Yeah. Those I really enjoy you get a bunch of baggage dicks. Like that's fine that happens to you. I don't know where that's coming from. It's fine. It's just so part of putting yourself out there. There's negative and positive that comes with it.
Sarah Milken 20:30
Now do you think that the connections that you've made on Instagram like Do you have any of those like become real friendships? Are they kind of like Instagram friends? Or like how do you divide that up? Because I know there's sort of like this whole idea of like the in real life friends versus the Instagram friends.
Jennifer Fisher 20:46
So yeah, so it Yes, I have met people on Instagram that have become like, you know, I'm always like, so funny. We met on Instagram, haha, but it's true. I mean, Instagram is the best communication tool in the world. I don't credit Instagram and I say this all the time with the growth of my business at all. I credited for being the best device like communication tool out there, I was absolutely anybody that you would not have the opportunity to come in contact with elsewhere. Sometimes I'll look down and I have like, some major fucking celebrity will DM me and I'm like, what's so fucking weird? Like, it's, you know? Oh, my God. Yeah. And then it's like, then you'll get questions from people that need an answer to something and it's, it's amazing. How do you
Sarah Milken 21:27
have time to answer all these like health questions? I mean, it must go on all day long. It goes on too long. But
Jennifer Fisher 21:34
it's like you kind of have to just be direct about it. Like I'm more direct about it. Like, I'll be like, what is it? I'll just be like, here's the link to the book above. I'm so robotic about it now in the way that I know that I have to get it done within a certain amount. And I
Sarah Milken 21:44
love when you post stories that are like, basically shut the fuck up. You're annoying. I already got this, like, check my highlighter real. Okay, so wait, I got this question from someone who wrote, I think both you and JF have a really good way of keeping stuff totally transparent and not feigning perfect lives while also meeting your goals, loving your families, etc. It's not an easy balance to maintain. I'm sure lots of people, myself included are fascinated by it. But also would love to know the behind the scenes tips and tricks on how it's done.
Jennifer Fisher 22:13
There's no tips and tricks. I mean, it's not perfect.
Jennifer Fisher 22:16
My day to day life, and probably like yours is like, you just have to get your shit done. Yeah, when you have to try to get your shit done. And then be a parent that's there for your kids. Yeah. And then also there for your spouse.
Sarah Milken 22:29
I know it's a lot of things easy. It's a lie.
Jennifer Fisher 22:32
In some days, I'm like, fuck this. I don't feel like doing this. I'm gonna go for a drink with my girlfriend. Yeah, no, no, it's a lot. And I do. And then I come home and I'm like, I'm fine. Sometimes, you know, you have to figure out like, you know, you kind of gotta gauge yourself at the end of your day. You know, like, where am I at the end of the day? Am I super stressed? Do I have to have another work conversation? Or call after seven? Or six? Or? Or can I go have a drink with my friends and then go home and decompress? Or, for me, I always say I don't go to therapy. I cook like, maybe you need to find that thing for you that, you know, the cooking come so easily for me because I love it. And I say that's
Sarah Milken 23:08
my that's my hell. Like if you wanted to punish me, that would be my punishment. What is it that you absolutely love to do? I mean, on a basic level, like I actually love talking to my friends. But in terms of like, what you were saying before, I think we do all need to find like our recharge time. And like sometimes I'll like go in the backyard and like call one of my besties and be like, I just need 15 minutes to like, you know, someone that's not my husband or not my kids because I think because of texting, we've lost that like connection point. But cooking for me would be my health.
Jennifer Fisher 23:41
So that's not what
Jennifer Fisher23:42
you do. So you know, whatever it is that you know, and whoever asked this question, like, how you know how to do it, you need to make sure that you're doing within your day something that is recharging or resetting you in some way. Mine just happens to fucking be this kitchen thing that that entertains people and helps people you know, I
Sarah Milken 23:58
love it. I mean, honestly, I'm like, openly jealous of it because it's like my Achilles Yeah,
Jennifer Fisher 24:04
but so right now so it's for 17 right now on Cinco Demayo and my everyone's gonna want fucking tacos in my house and all my girlfriends are drinking down by the Marina right now having margaritas I'm getting over this cold right now so I'm not going to drink tonight. And it's beautiful outside in here in New York City. So I don't know if I want to cook tonight. So this is one of those balancing things where it's you I make my fucking kids happy and make them the tacos that they're gonna want for Cinco Demayo and the rice and it takes a lot of time. Where do I go out and do I go see my girlfriends that are all out at the marina having a drink or what
Sarah Milken 24:34
about like staying home and not cooking?
Jennifer Fisher 24:38
Yeah, but then we need to eat when ordering fucking takeout. Unless we order we don't know what we could do tonight. Kevin we could order sashimi. She meets
Jennifer Fisher 24:49
fucking delicious. Have you ever done that before?
Sarah Milken 24:51
No. Well, what's
Jennifer Fisher 24:52
your what's your taco shop joke honey. I've got I should show you right now I should get up and show you two different things that I have in my pantry that make the most amazing Can I do this? Yes, of course. So these are things that you need to always keep in your house. So these are things that must always be in your pantry. Okay, I'm taking it. There's Okay, so there's playing Sushi Nori, which you can buy at Whole Foods. Okay, but this is like Sushi Nori on crack. It's fucking amazing. So see snacks. So when people go and you go to buy these little stupid snacks that everyone goes to grab thinking they're being healthy. I mean Whole Foods doesn't even have these. They have a different brand and I think they're made with safflower oil. I ordered these on Amazon. Oh, Max. Wasabi is an amazing flavor. Lemon Lime is an amazing flavor, but you want to always have these are like full sheets just so you
Sarah Milken 25:41
can make that so cool. But what What's the flavor of that?
Jennifer Fisher 25:44
This one's toasty onion. These about toasted like fucking meat and all the other ones like when you eat
Sarah Milken 25:49
it. What's the texture of it? Like giving?
Jennifer Fisher 25:54
It seats snacks, you've never had the support?
Sarah Milken 25:56
No, I've had I've seen the light. No, but I've seen the ones that are like the strips like the long strips.
Jennifer Fisher 26:02
Now these are like these little similar to strips are like little rectangles.
Sarah Milken 26:06
Do they make bigger ones? You can make the taco. I know you can have iodine if you have a thyroid issue. Is that not true? Okay, so you're eating it. So they say it's fine. We're not
Jennifer Fisher 26:17
perfect. I do what I want because I love it. And it's a great snack. Okay, so what do you put in that for your tacos? Oh, so you can put so you can put your sashimi into that and wrap it you've got like amazing sushi taco with the ginger or you can put green onions or scallion in it. It's amazing.
Sarah Milken 26:30
So we can you eat ponzu sauce or No, no, no. Ah,
Jennifer Fisher 26:35
I'm going to put a ponzu sauce up though. Someone else asked me about that last week. Okay, so I'm gonna do a ponzu that you can eat that is on the program if you do
Jennifer Fisher 26:43
a pokey bowl. I don't know. Okay,
Jennifer Fisher 26:49
rice base. If I can find a cauliflower rice one I don't eat mayonnaise either. I completely skeeved out by manos. I hate Mondays. Okay, so I'll do if I can find a cauliflower based one and just do tuna with avocado and green onion but to me it's like kind of unsatisfying and kind of gross like French to it so that's why I like it that's why the seaweed so much
Sarah Milken 27:09
interesting so you could just but what would be the sauce for that was what I was struggling with my ginger
Jennifer Fisher 27:14
my ginger lemon wasabi sauce.
Jennifer Fisher 27:17
But what's the liquid that lemon? I love lemon
Jennifer Fisher 27:20
Kevin is like an anti he's I always I always joke about on Instagram, his eliminator but lemon but that's another product that I want to make. I want to make some sort of as like a sort like a soy free. Yummy. Universal ponzu soy. Okay, okay, that might take you two years with making it look pretty. Hopefully not as we grow. We're hiring more people and we're gonna grow pretty quickly. We're working on.
Sarah Milken 27:44
Okay, so what is the lemon juice in the container the same thing as a fresh lemon? Fucking eat that Sarah? I'm just asking because
Jennifer Fisher 27:52
I'm trying to think of easy hacks. No, it's not. It's so funny. Like one of my best friends. She's like, I got these lovin packets on and everyone says it's totally clean and fine. I'm like, No, they're not.
Sarah Milken 28:02
Okay. I'm sorry. I hear your fucking lemon. I have to carry
Jennifer Fisher 28:06
Otto Otto in my bag all the time. I was joking Instagram, like I'm carrying this thing around and I'll pull the fucking avocado out of it.
Jennifer Fisher 28:13
That's just sounds gross.
Jennifer Fisher 28:15
It's not you got to change your mindset.
Jennifer Fisher 28:16
What would you rather eat? I don't know. But like somebody do you okay, what
Jennifer Fisher 28:20
do you normally during the day? What's your day? Like?
Sarah Milken 28:22
My whole thing is like the opposite of you. Like when I wake up in the morning I like I tried to do my 12 hour fast that's my lame version of messing with you. But for me that's a lot because I I have have like blood sugar issues. And I've psychologically convinced myself that I'm starving and I'm going to fail. So whatever. So I have coffee. I use like the almond whatever milk without the gums in it. Okay,
Jennifer Fisher 28:47
this one the three trees. Okay, good. Okay, good. Well, what do you use to sweeten it?
Sarah Milken 28:52
Well, that's the thing is I have the stevia which I know is not. I know shut off. I got the fucking date syrup.
Jennifer Fisher 28:59
No, don't use that use.
Jennifer Fisher 29:01
I should show you this. This vanilla coconut sugar. It's amazing.
Sarah Milken 29:03
I think I ordered it from Amazon view. But it doesn't taste sweet and my coffee. Morin. But how much can you put in without it becoming feeling like real sugar?
Jennifer Fisher 29:15
That's the thing about all of this. You I just, I feel like in order for it to work, you can't be regimented like that. Like how do you like a tablespoon? I don't do a tablespoon. I do like a teaspoon. And let's see why just by putting cinnamon in it so I put I do cinnamon too. I want to do less sugar so I put cinnamon and everything so I do less sugar for me that's a way to kind of hack around not putting more sugar into things is cinnamon.
Sarah Milken 29:38
Yeah, no I bought the cinnamon that you like or whatever it is and barrel and barrel. Whatever I've gone like
Jennifer Fisher 29:46
yeah, the garlic powder is the most amazing garlic powder. I want to do a collab with them.
Sarah Milken 29:50
Amazing. Okay, so I've had that Okay, so basically I eat oatmeal, which is not good for me, I'm sure are highly inflammatory. I know so I put I do Oh meal Oh with a scoop of collagen powder with a gynecologist daughter like what's in it? What's the agent from the one that will does? Yeah, I use that one. And then I put walnuts that I get from the guy at the farmers market that he bakes in his backyard and there's like nothing on them allergic to walnuts. So I get like five bags at a time I leave them in the freezer, he mails them to me and so then I crushed the walnuts over the oatmeal with the cinnamon and the collagen powder. And then I have my coffee with the almond milk and then I rotate the sugar situation and that's my breakfast. Why don't you try and sit at the oatmeal? Have you heard of a product called Zen basil? Yeah, but
Jennifer Fisher 30:42
what is that actually the basil seeds so instead of using chia, it's basil. The woman that owns the company is is a really amazing sweet. Maybe I've seen that on Instagram. Yeah, Zen basil, try making a Zen basil like chia pudding. I do that if I want like an overnight oats kind of a vibe all do that. And then you can put eight raisins you can put whatever you kind of like put your walnuts in it do the whole thing. Do it the night before put vanilla and it makes it really yummy. And I do that with your three trees almond milk, soak your basil seeds overnight okay. And then in the morning put all your toppings and all your ship that you like on it and you're not eating the oats and it's just like simple subs like that because you're starting off your day like ship by eating the oats because then you're it's just something about the oatmeal that so do like I noticed was fine. Do though do the overnight basil seeds and heat it up so it's warm and put maple syrup on it maple syrup on my fucking program. I love maple syrup. But isn't that sugar? Yes, but I still it's natural sugar. I eat maple syrup. I eat natural sugars.
Jennifer Fisher 31:45
I don't regulate that stuff.
Sarah Milken 31:47
Got it? Which is the maple syrup again. I might have bought it
Jennifer Fisher 31:50
I love what is it the one that I would announce like docs maple syrup docs actually met the I met the couple that owns them they're friends with my friends Pam and Mark Murphy. You know they're you know Mark Murphy he's a yeah just plopped so I'm we actually bought their old apartment in Tribeca and became friends with them and when we're out in the Hamptons there Hamptons house one summer and we met a couple that owns docks and it's really good maple syrup.
Jennifer Fisher 32:14
Wow. And old fashion. Where can you buy whole foods? Oh, okay, cool. Delicious.
Sarah Milken 32:21
Yeah, I need to do stuff like that and launch is a little bit of a nightmare.
Jennifer Fisher 32:25
What do you do for lunch?
Sarah Milken 32:26
Well, lunches I mean, I'm usually home but not always. And like it's like an omelet. And then I tried to like I'll have like a piece of chicken sausage or and like I try to put I know, I know because I really want that protein feel to me, because eating egg whites for me doesn't feel satisfying.
Jennifer Fisher 32:43
Okay, can I so why don't you do this so because I like to have that protein feeling sometimes do and I made this weird fucking thing last week and I was like This is delicious. I'm gonna start eating this for lunch. So I'll make two pounds of grass fed ground beef at a time. My kids like it over pasta like kids like it mix them with rice. They'll put cheese they'll make tacos and make Rita so I'll make like two pound bulk things of like chicken and beef at a time and so sometimes what I'll do is once it's sort of cooked I'll split it up and I'll make one taco flavor and I'll keep one just like garlic and onion and I'll use that sometimes what I'll do with my eggs is I'll put what am I called it like garbage something other because it looks so disgusting but it's so delicious
Sarah Milken 33:25
you know sometimes I need that like chicken sausage G like IRNA feel
Jennifer Fisher 33:30
so Okay, so you should eat more grass fed ground beef don't eat chicken, because you don't know also is that like free range? Yeah,
Sarah Milken 33:36
it's like fucking from Trader Joe's but who knows? That those
Jennifer Fisherr 33:40
chickens have no beaks that you're fucking disgusting I don't eat a lot of birds wings freak me out. Like I do not need a lot of
Sarah Milken 33:50
funny somebody asked me that question that's on my list here. Somebody's like, find out why she doesn't eat poultry. Okay, so
Jennifer Fisher 33:57
there's two reasons and I'm totally gonna tell the story and I've never fucking told this story before. So I had a boyfriend when I went to USC that would always try to make me chicken it was like the weirdest thing and I would like everything had to have chicken in it. And I'd cook from it always not chicken and he always wanted chicken and I is so gross to me. And also it
Sarah Milken 34:14
was skin and bones or chicken like as the breast
Jennifer Fisher 34:18
but then I visualize the chicken and it has wings and it's like they're
Jennifer Fisher 34:21
not eating the wing of a bird. I was like goosebumps on the skin. So last
Jennifer Fisher 34:26
night so funny story to true story, because we're testing our seasoning and I made wings last night with it. And I had to like Oh, take a bite of the wing. And I was like, oh, but anyways, I don't like things with wings and from the ex boyfriend who was in New and then he just it's like just like wings it's just gross.
Jennifer Fisher 34:47
But it's been a cow's okay, I don't know why.
Sarah Milken 34:51
I don't I know we all have our like funny things right?
Jennifer Fisher 34:54
My thing I don't know birds are fucking gross. But you did
Sarah Milken 34:57
say I know I heard you say that. it during COVID, you decided to make recipes easier and more simple and not as crazy. Well, any because
Jennifer Fisher 35:07
I didn't. So I had all these cookbooks that like, either I was being gifted or I had collected and I, during COVID, even before COVID, I had like, 90 cookbooks, and I threw out like 75 of them. And I had like 25 left. And I was like, I still don't want to look at these, like, I go through them. And it's like four pages of process. It's
Sarah Milken 35:23
so hard for someone like me, ya
Jennifer Fisher 35:27
know. So like, whatever I end up doing in this recipe world or the binder or whatever the fuck we're going to do with these recipes, which we're going to do soon. And we're going to figure it out. So simple, like, we don't have time to make all this crazy stuff. And not to mention, you should be spending your time doing other things not sitting in your kitchen marinating something like if it can be done fast, you can season it, throw it in the fridge for the day, and then by the time you get home from work, it's 10 minutes of less prep that you have to do. That's fucking great. But like to have to do like a su V and that is bad, whatever. Like, I have like a steam of it in my house and like fuck that, like, I'm not gonna even use that thing. Like it's right. You know? Like, it should just be easy, simple things that you can do. So you're you're set up for success.
Sarah Milken 36:08
Well, it's easy, simple things kind of sound gross. Like if I made ground beef, it will be revolting.
Jennifer Fisher 36:14
Oh, no, I It's so yummy. I'll walk you through it. You can FaceTime me and I'll show you how to do it.
Sarah Milken 36:19
I mean, there has to be like, you're gonna be like, This is good. But it's like not how do you make it not dry and how many times you push the spatula around. Like those are things that are hard for people like me,
Jennifer Fisher 36:30
the cube with ground beef, and I feel like it has to be a little tiny bits and you have to season seasoning is really important. That's why the salt started. Like you have to season your food. I think half the time people leave their ground beef like big cha cha. And then it's like Neely and you get like something jazzy.
Sarah Milken 36:46
No, I know. That's how my daughter feels.
Jennifer Fisher 36:48
I know. Yeah, I get it. I get it.
Sarah Milken 36:50
I totally get it. There's something like my husband's like, I'm like, oh, like I need to figure out like the food situation. He's like, You've been saying that for like 100 years. The kids are like 70. And I'm like, I know when he goes here. You don't eat out of Tupperware, like there's something about Tupperware there grosses you out. And I'm like, I know, but I can't get over that because nobody has time. She's like, a whole fresh thing every day or not even just time I don't want to. So then you shouldn't do it. But like, what do you do? Like when you take like ground beef out of a Tupperware container? And it's like, halfway congealed. Do you want to throw up?
Jennifer Fisher 37:24
No, I get, like, stoked about it. Because I know it's gonna taste good. And I know it can make nachos. I know I can make like, I can stick it over like a salad. Like that kind of stuff doesn't skeeve me out.
Sarah Milken 37:32
See, but that because it's a natural skill for you. It's
Jennifer Fisher 37:35
just because I know what it tastes like. And I know that it's yummy. And I know that I can take that beef. It's giving me the iron that I need because I'm iron deficient. So I'm also gonna like, they'll give me energy and it's also delicious. And I can do 20 things with that one container of ground beef or chop.
Sarah Milken 37:50
Another question though, the reheat. Yeah, I fucking
Jennifer Fisher 37:54
fuck everyone in the microwave, everyone. Shut the fuck up. Cuz I got one more person on Instagram telling me that like aliens are like, beaming into my fucking body and food because I used to fucking microwave like,
Sarah Milken 38:06
I'm sorry. Microwave is like, sorry, you live without a microwave.
Jennifer Fisher 38:11
I grew up with a microwave. I'm still alive.
Sarah Milken 38:14
I know. Well, maybe some people feel that way about gums.
Jennifer Fisher 38:17
I think that's totally different. I think that's gonna be different. Now. I'm gonna argue that no, it's totally different. That's not It's not adding. Okay, it's energy into your food. What is it? I don't even know how that is not the same as like a shelf stabilizer. All right.
Sarah Milken 38:34
So you're telling so you don't reheat food in a pan?
Jennifer Fisher 38:37
I do. I do both. I do both. I'm a dirty,
Sarah Milken 38:41
dirty hand. Or that's Kevin's job. No, I'll
Jennifer Fisher 38:45
do it too. I have like I have like a cool little like dish dispenser thing that I use to clean my food I'd like the key also is to making sure that you clean your your your pots properly, so they're not filled with shit. So when the next time you go to use them more shit doesn't stick to the ship. It's already in it. Like, you have to make sure that like you're cleaning things right? Like, this is a great example. So I go to the restaurant supply store all the time to buy things because I go through things a lot. Like I don't like to buy like mass marketed like certain you know, nonstick things. I mean, I'll buy certain nonstick pans and things like that. But a lot of my sheet pans and stuff at ease. I go to the restaurants, Restaurant Supply, and Bowery and I buy them. And my pet peeve is if they're not clean. And so I went to LA last time and I came back from LA and my fucking wing mesh insert for my sheep parents was like, not clean because Kevin didn't clean it properly. And I'm like, am I having sex with you next
Sarah Milken 39:42
year? Yeah.
Jennifer Fisher 39:46
No, but like, that kind of stuff makes him crazy.
Sarah Milken 39:50
Make your kids do all those dishes. You're like,
Jennifer Fisher 39:52
oh my kids. This is a great role and you everyone should try this. So the rule in our house is if you don't put the dish in the dishwasher Are we stick it in your room?
Sarah Milken 40:01
Oh, have you done it? That works? We have. I think you're talking about this on Instagram too. And I think I was like, wait, I'm doing an episode on this. We have a lot of dishwasher wars in this house.
Jennifer Fisher 40:15
No, I'm like this. I'm like,
Sarah Milken 40:17
okay, that's how I am. The dishwasher is like a diarrhea ball. It's like the shits everywhere. And Jeremy is psychotic. It was Kevin about dishwasher lineups
Jennifer Fisher 40:29
have to be like, perfectly like rested at the top. Yeah, well, I'm vegan. I'm like, it's called a dishwasher.
Sarah Milken 40:35
That's how I feel. And he's like, he perfectly clean. It's like a family trade. Everyone has family perfectly cleans every item before they go in the dishwasher. So I'm like, then what's the point of the dishwasher?
Jennifer Fisher 40:47
No, no, I wipe I do that. Yeah. Is it perfect? Perfect. Perfect. Yeah, kind of Yeah.
Sarah Milken 40:54
Back he's wiping it like China.
Jennifer Fisher 40:58
I kind of do that. But but I don't. But then I like throw it in there. Like it'll just wash itself. I don't know the cuts would Kevin is that everything is like perfectly?
Sarah Milken 41:06
Jeremy, did you do as he told you the rationale for it. Jeremy is trying to school me and the rationale.
Jennifer Fisher 41:12
No, Kevin has not taught you how to just like he just doesn't understand it just. Yeah.
Sarah Milken 41:16
So the rationale is, as I've been schooled by my brilliant husband is that in the unloading process, if all of the items are lined up and sorted by type, then when you unload, there's no thought process. You just grab all the like forks that are all together, and you put them in the forks section of the silverware drawer. Then when you get to the knives, you pick up all the knives at the same time. My way is here's a fork. Here's a fucking knife. Here's the spine. Right? And he's like, the onload is too complicated. So you should ask Kevin if that's his rationale for it.
Jennifer Fisher 41:56
I find he doesn't do that though. Kevin doesn't separate by type. Oh, he know Kevin just makes sure they're perfect. I did therapeutic to have to actually then reorganize and categorize each one.
Sarah Milken 42:10
Okay, no, he Jeremy's like, there's a rationale for because it's like, when you go to unload, then it's like you do a one hand scoop of all the
Jennifer Fisher 42:19
load right? When it's done. I do. I like to unload right when it's done? Well, I
Sarah Milken 42:24
don't because I don't like the steam that comes out of the dishwasher.
Jennifer Fisher 42:27
I let it open and I let the steam comes out. I've said that and I don't
Sarah Milken 42:30
like it. It's not like they say it's 100% dry, but it's like not really.
Jennifer Fisher 42:35
We need to make sure you've got your chemicals in there that
Sarah Milken 42:38
I know we had to go through all that Jeremy became like a dishwasher expert, while everybody
Jennifer Fisher 42:43
in the green ones now at least so it's at least I've like cleaned up my cleaning products. That's a whole other thing is the cleaning products and like so now it's like the branch basics and oh, there's a really great company. I should actually tell you about it that makes it makes amazing smelling clean products. I'll put it on my list.
Sarah Milken 42:58
Okay, no, it has to be on your list because it's
Jennifer Fisher 43:00
beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful soaps and actually were really kind enough to send it to the qualico Yeah qualico
Sarah Milken 43:07
quality I was like well that quality like koala bear. Oh, okay. You know what I find is I buy that Jason's hand soap for like all the dispensers in the house, but I find like it's so drying and then I actually it was it's really good. I went on Amazon and I bought like some kind of organic handsoap that has olive oil in it the Edit I find that it's so much less drying on my hands oh I need to know what that is. I know I'll do an Amazon order dig but like I was like I'm washing my hands so much now and like I feel like all the skins falling off.
Jennifer Fisher 43:42
So my hands are so best the best hands in the world. I don't even care
Sarah Milken 43:45
Yeah, but it's I think it's like the midlife like lack of moisture blah blah blah okay let's talk about maintaining ourselves and Botox and filler and all the shit so obviously you and I Botox we filler we this we that blah blah blah Yeah, with more like, yes. Why are women so judgmental of other women and what they do and why the fuck and why do we have to have that and how do we stop that?
Jennifer Fisher 44:12
There's there's you're never going to stop it. It's never going to end. It's my fucking body. It's my fucking face. I can do whatever the fuck I want with it. And you can say whatever the fuck you want. Wherever you want, wherever you want. I don't give a fuck. It's just
Jennifer Fisher 44:23
so interesting to me. Like
Jennifer Fisher 44:25
women always talk shit people don't always talk about you. They're going to talk about it. And by the way, it's you're probably doing it on the deal and not telling anyone Well sorry, it's so true. Are so judgmental and talk so much shit fucking cares. Let me fill my face. Let me do whatever I want. Like, you know, let me do surgery. Let me do whatever the fuck I don't care. That's
Sarah Milken 44:46
sort of how I feel about it. I'm like, sign me up for whatever I need whenever I want and like obviously it's based on you know, things that you can afford to do that are like within your range. Everyone has like different price points and all of that. It's like The judgment thing of like, oh my god, you Botox like, oh my god, you put filler and I'm like, What's the problem with any I don't know, like, we're this whole thing of like Aging Gracefully. Like I get all I get a lot but it's not right for everyone. It doesn't have to be everybody's choice
Jennifer Fisher 45:16
I'm on I'm in this body as myself one time. And so I should be able to do with it what I want. It's that simple and usually if you want to age gracefully you age gracefully. That's awesome that for you like whatever looks and all this stuff and beauty and people's ideas of what people shouldn't shouldn't be doing with their bodies. No one's fucking business.
Sarah Milken 45:35
That's how I feel. And I also love the idea like I read that you say that jewelry is your armor. I think makeup is
Jennifer Fisher 45:42
armor. And you should wear that every day as you want.
Sarah Milken 45:45
I did I wore it in COVID and I called my friend they were like, Why are you wearing makeup? It's like a pandemic, you're not going out. And I'm like, because I walked by the mirror and I see myself and that's something that like makes me happy. I'm like, Oh, I have mascara on and concealer. I'm not like going to prom but like, you like to tell
Jennifer Fisher 46:01
it makes you feel good, then that's yay. Everybody should be doing whatever makes them feel good. And that is going to make get them through the day. It's hard enough being alive and trying to get through the day like my god, he just let people just be who they want to be and do what they want to do to themselves. Like it's if people spent more time talking less shit about people and doing more things to advance themselves professionally.
Sarah Milken 46:25
Look where they would be. I know Oh, but even not even just professionally like, personally like yeah, just personally it's like get a fucking hobby do this do that. I mean anything? Anything but talking about people it's so stupid. I know the trash talk is beyond Okay, so you're you're going to a desert island you can only take like five beauty products. What are they?
Jennifer Fisher 46:48
Anything Kylie cavaco tells me oh, let's talk about let's do a minute of love for credit.
Sarah Milken 46:55
Oh my god. She was on my podcast. I love her.
Jennifer Fisher 46:59
She's amazing. Her and I are new friends. She we may have met on Instagram.
Sarah Milken 47:05
I love her.
Jennifer Fisher 47:06
Okay, so Kylie is as obviously you are close to her because you're melasma
Sarah Milken 47:13
melasma name
Jennifer Fisher 47:15
but she also has has helped my skin texture like she's always like I wish I took before pictures of you of your skin texture. Yes, I've done a lot of other things don't my skin texture but the skincare products that she has recommended to me are like it's insane. So I've got I'll give you a list that you can post with the podcast app. But there's MBR there is environment. Do you think I use boatman that I'm on level four. I think I am now those two products which I think I believe that that and then the cream extraordinary. Also the MBR that is you can use that anywhere on your body.
Sarah Milken 47:55
I know I don't know which one I have. I haven't I've to MBR things but I don't know what they are.
Jennifer Fisher 48:00
Well they make a great neck but the NBR the cream extraordinaire is honestly I cannot live without that cream because you can you can literally put your bag if you need it for your face if you need it for your elbows for your hands if you need it for anywhere your boobs whatever it's amazing.
Sarah Milken 48:15
I'm always tries my nipples all the time. I do i
Jennifer Fisher 48:21
Okay, and then also so OCR makes this it's not the oil that everyone always freaks out about the Osia anti aging body balm is fucking oh my god
Sarah Milken 48:30
I'm totally ordering that today. Right now.
Jennifer Fisher 48:33
I wore this dress when we launched our scent in LA and people were like What is up with your skin? I'm like it's this body balm I've been using it's totally changed the texture of my whole day and it's not it will not break the bank like some of the other skincare
Sarah Milken 48:47
when do you put it on and how often is do you have to be like do eat from the shower what to do
Jennifer Fisher 48:53
put it on any time it's amazing and it smells really nice. I love that that that one's that's the body you need everybody got it everyone always like freaks out about the oil because I think Halle Berry says she uses that or something I don't know who it was someone likes a beautiful and famous set it and so I think that's how that got famous but it's this other product. I have both. I've heard body balm it's amazing agent in a tour. I guess I wouldn't need deodorant though. If I was on a desert island I wouldn't give a shit about what my Yeah, but I use the agent the tour the the one that's the universal the black.
Sarah Milken 49:23
You know, I used to have one of those. I don't I didn't feel like I don't know if it worked on me or not.
Jennifer Fisher 49:28
It works. I love it. And this one smells I mean I was too black one. I would take this
Sarah Milken 49:35
oh you would take your perfume. I mean honestly now that it's sold out I'm gonna have to like sell my soul to get it I mean by
Jennifer Fisher 49:42
Yeah, right. That's that is that five things that I say five things ya know,
Sarah Milken 49:46
so it's the same.
Jennifer Fisher 49:48
Oh s e AE Now am I pronouncing that wrong?
Sarah Milken 49:51
I totally anti aging body balm. It's amazing for deodorant your
Jennifer Fisher 49:58
scratch that you don't need that. But I would use the average get the I would do the MBR there cream extraordinary from knockout beauty and I would also do the environ. But then again I would Don't I need sunscreen if I'm on a desert island.
Sarah Milken 50:11
Oh wait hold on environ which one though I have like five products from
Jennifer Fisher 50:15
its cream. What is it? I've either one is a cream something number four and then one is like a serum.
Jennifer Fisher 50:22
No which ones I
Jennifer Fisher 50:24
have are two little silver and blue bottles. They're amazing. Okay, I use those and then I use for eye cream I use I use Lamere
Jennifer Fisher 50:34
actually, my that's not clean. I know just so much that to me, and I'm so dirty. I know. It's like toxic, but it's like toxic.
Jennifer Fisher 50:48
Well, ever since I did my eyes I do my eyelids and COVID I talked about this shit too. I don't give a damn I don't care. Dr. Tony la bruna in New York is the only doctor that should you should let it touch your eyes. I love that. There's
Sarah Milken 50:59
so much in LA that everyone goes through that. For ages. My eyes are the least of my problems. My neck is a fucking drama. Oh, Dr. Cat Chang and I need like I mean mine. I think the neck has to go with the face. So I think Dr. Catch it. Yeah, I need to do like the full monty because at this point I'm like I need to duct tape the back of my neck because there's so much like chicken skin hanging on the front of my neck. I just need wings that you need. Dr. Catching is what you need. Yeah, I need full wings. Okay, now like my friend. She's amazing. Now what about the sunscreen? Which one do you use?
Jennifer Fisher 51:35
I see. That one's gonna give me shit because I use supergroup but I like it. Okay,
Sarah Milken 51:39
I have that too.
Jennifer Fisher 51:40
I love super good. I never get burned when I use it and I reapply and it's great. Sorry.
Sarah Milken 51:44
What do you use as your foundation?
Jennifer Fisher 51:46
My foundation is I use YSL I use the I don't wear foundation. I worked moisturizer. Oh my god Kleenex. We can take a second to talk about G beauty for a second. Not a lot of people know about the G she's amazing. She She's I guess she's Canadian. She lives in Miami. Her and her wife Rachel have two young kids. She I met her on Instagram. She changed my whole makeup routine. And I am obsessed with her. I love her so much. She's the one who taught me never to put concealer right in the middle of your eyes to always put it here. And here. She sent me a seven minute tutorial away judging me how to do makeup for my face. And then also, you know, you should never put eyeshadow on your eyelids you put bronzer up here. I'm telling you I gotta connect you she's going to also because you like make up
Sarah Milken 52:33
each other Wait, Natalie? G Yeah, NASA G Beauty
Jennifer Fisher 52:36
and her company is called G
Sarah Milken 52:37
beauty GE Oh, okay. And she sent
Jennifer Fisher 52:41
me this like bright pink blush. That's literally the same color as your microphone right there. And I was like, I'm fucking white. She's like, Just trust me. I wear it every day. It's amazing. My face like it's,
Jennifer Fisher 52:52
I mean, what's your routine? Okay,
Jennifer Fisher 52:54
so I am like the laziest worst makeup person in the world. Okay, I used to when I used to get my makeup done I used to put so much more makeup on but it makes me look so much older. So now for me like less is more
Sarah Milken 53:06
even I have melasma and I have I have a certain level of like coverage that I have to you
Jennifer Fisher 53:11
want to talk to now she's got the sticks. She's got all the stuff I didn't she didn't send me any of that stuff. But I would talk to her but I need very minimal coverage on my skin. Thanks to Kylie and now the new texture. I use the YSL tinted moisturizer I use it's not fun. It's called what is it called? Hold on. Let me get it I have it in my bag here and they don't
Sarah Milken 53:31
you hate when people ask you shit that you just can't remember. It's so good. It's fine.
Jennifer Fisher 53:35
They'll just give it to hold on. So the YSL I use is called New bear looked it this one looks like that. How do you spell it? And you okay,
Jennifer Fisher 53:47
I love it. It's so like I used to use Save beauty. I
Sarah Milken 53:49
like save you know I have I use that too. I like that a
Jennifer Fisher 53:52
lot and it's clean, but I'm a little oily and it leaves me a little too dewy so this
Sarah Milken 53:56
one is so fucking funny that you say that because my daughter's like, Why is your face wet? Yeah, it's too dirty for me. And so I mix it with the how do you say it the clothes oh, oh. Tinted Moisturizer. So I do half and half with a sponge
Jennifer Fisher 54:14
and the foundation of use the Chanel water one know which ones that you need to try that one. It's the Chanel one that comes in a pump. So I have it in here. You need to try it because you like foundation. It might not be enough coverage for you. You might want a little more coverage but it's really really good. Like a rectangular long bottle and when it comes out it's very watery and the moment you put a sponge to it like a beauty blender it starts to turn in
Sarah Milken 54:42
yeah that's what I that's what I use. I mix those two on the back of my hand and then I take the Beauty Blender and
Jennifer Fisher 54:48
I only use NAT G concealer now I'm obsessed with it
Sarah Milken 54:52
she has the I use the clay Knight Oh,
Jennifer Fisher 54:54
I used to use clay Topo to funny Hey, funny story just before this podcast and I was doing my minimal makeup Yeah,
Jennifer Fisher 55:01
no. All I throw my credit Oh, really?
Jennifer Fisher 55:04
Yeah it's too chalky and it's not it doesn't it's doesn't like now that I'm using Alex like it's just it goes on so smooth and it blends and it doesn't feel like I felt the clay Topo was dragging on my skin.
Sarah Milken 55:14
Yeah, no I get it and my skin is drier now than it used to be that it's like kind of gets like a little stuck so then I wind up taking like the barber Sturm like hyaluronic acid like spray mist to kind of like wet rewet face after the clay to bow
Jennifer Fisher 55:32
YSL makes a good spring Miss to for that.
Sarah Milken 55:36
Is it just clear or it's a makeup center?
Jennifer Fisher 55:38
It's a makeup center. Oh, okay,
Jennifer Fisher 55:40
that's really good too. I love Anastasia I use her brow pencils. I also microblade my brows with the eyebrow Dr. Paret so they are microbladed she's in both places. She's in LA and New York. She's caught the eye.
Sarah Milken 55:53
I haven't tried that yet.
Jennifer Fisher 55:55
It's amazing. I might go Tuesday. I'm trying to figure out what I want to do if I'm gonna go Tuesday or not. I mean I darkened my eyebrows anyways with
Sarah Milken 56:02
a lie I use the Shanti chi ash filler.
Jennifer Fisher 56:06
She's the nicest person in the entire world though also shouts guy I love her so much. I don't know her I just go by living guys like the nicest woman I love her so much and she makes great products a lot it
Sarah Milken 56:16
would be it would be nice to not have to fill in my eyebrows.
Jennifer Fisher 56:19
It's pretty fucking cool and it changes your face but she does it's it's pretty cool my glasses that I use so for me if I'm eating it I feel like it needs to be clean. So I use this glass that's lawless forget the filler. They really need to put more in each one now because I think I took this to Miami that was fall and oh my gosh, the best applicator in the world and this is called rosy outlook. So it's like the best clear I only weren't clear. Oh wow. And since I'm eating it I feel like I need to use clean lip products that's so you don't
Sarah Milken 56:48
but there isn't like a clear that's like a stain like that would keep you're like you have to reapply it. No but I'm saying you have to like reapply lip plus all the time. Don't you feel like you're always eating it?
Jennifer Fisher 56:57
Yeah,
Jennifer Fisher 56:58
I am. And I also am obsessed with Charlotte Tilbury iconic nude lip liner. It's the only
Sarah Milken 57:04
Oh my god. So my daughter is obsessed with that to
Jennifer Fisher 57:07
obsess and Katie Jane Hughes taught me the best trick on our last photoshoot for the website. She did my makeup. Do you know that is?
Sarah Milken 57:14
Yeah, but I don't see the trick. I missed that.
Jennifer Fisher 57:17
I'll show you right now. I'll show you here. Yeah, so she so take the liner and go straight across. So
Jennifer Fisher 57:22
instead of doing the bows, yeah. Go straight across. It makes your lips look fuller. You say saying yeah, yeah, it works. Cut the bow.
Sarah Milken 57:36
Oh, it doesn't look like you missed this. You missed it. If I'm good. You're like it looks good. I don't really care. Okay, so is that
Jennifer Fisher 57:45
so GPT is made by Charlotte Tilbury I use they have those amazing ones for contour I
Sarah Milken 57:50
don't understand contouring it's too hard for me. It's so not hard.
Jennifer Fisher 57:54
I use the GBD bronzer she's got this amazing giant brush and you do it on all the spots and it kind of like hits everything I do my oh the Sicily mascara and so intense is it's it's so intense is the one that I use I think it's so it's anyways it's got the one that looks like a cake one to see I
Sarah Milken 58:10
only use I've been using YSL for like 30,000 years.
Jennifer Fisher 58:15
This is the best mascara in the entire world interestingly it's hard to find Sicily they have it on Netta portait sold out a lot
Sarah Milken 58:22
but they still Sicily it certain department stores I think no go to department stores. Well I'm just saying you can order them online from the department stores
Jennifer Fisher 58:30
although I do go to Saks Fifth Avenue and I'm gonna start to go to Saks at Saks Fifth Avenue a lot more soon. I've mastered fake lashes
Sarah Milken 58:39
how'd you do that? Wait no you actually put them on yourself?
Jennifer Fisher 58:42
Do I buy them on Amazon? I'll send you the link right now you're gonna fucking die they're amazing just spend like six hours and you know we'll know how to do it and these are the only lashes to get will link them in your story here everyone's gonna be like what? Wait Do you see Wait how do you are these are individual fan lashes now my not all my makeup artists use them except for Katie she has her own hold on
Jennifer Fisher 59:06
how often do you have to replace them? No, I take them off every day. What yes you gross
Sarah Milken 59:13
I don't know what a lot I don't that's the one thing I don't do or the eyelashes because I can handle another task.
Jennifer Fisher 59:19
Oh hold on. Like why is
Jennifer Fisher 59:21
why are these not coming up? It's there it takes me I pop them on I do my mascara I pop them on it takes two seconds I'm telling you so you're gonna be like oh shit I should have been doing this years ago.
Sarah Milken 59:30
And how many do you put on each i
Jennifer Fisher 59:32
i put like like today I put on so I mixed twelves and fourteens intense I'll show you they come in different so these are them but these natural route clusters with a series
Jennifer Fisher 59:41
come up with this shit yourself. Yeah, I love this shit. I live for this shit. Not that I'm missing. Right now wonder you're such an influencer. here here's the lashes
Jennifer Fisher 59:55
by the now and I'll teach I do use Duo glue. It's not clean, but it's the best But I just pop them on and like I go out I do I just do lashes and bronzer and that's
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:05
like it. Wow.
Sarah Milken 1:00:07
Okay. Yeah. And then when you use the eyelashes just come off with a makeup remover. Yeah,
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:13
I use the sheets I use those was the M 13. Those ones. I use the sensitive ones every night to wipe everything off. Oh, and then also my powder that I like when I go out. Is it in here and I take it out. I use NARS. It's the translucent powder that they make. It's the
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:28
white one. It's like hot.
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:31
It's not white. It's ugly. Or maybe it doesn't pdgm us told me about it all so it doesn't leave any residue on your face. And the key with powder is that you use as much smaller brush so you almost use like a giant eyeshadow brush and you only hit the places on your face that are shiny which I need right now. On here for
Sarah Milken 1:00:48
three hours. Oh my God, I know believe me I'm like fucking shining. Okay, wait, you can only take one pair of jeans your desert island. What are that? Oh,
Jennifer Fisher 1:00:56
these Batman jeans that are old. Well, that's not helpful.
Jennifer Fisher 1:01:00
Or I would take the saline jeans. I love the saline jeans. They already tried though, are so good. Not so high waisted ones the gold detail the fashion ones the ones that are cut like old school Wranglers. They're amazing. I went also there's this new company. It's called Besides, they make amazing recut vintage like recut jeans. I got this cool flair pair that I actually do well. Besides B and then s IDs and
Sarah Milken 1:01:27
where do you get them or try them on a per day?
Jennifer Fisher 1:01:29
Yeah buy a few pairs because they're recut vintage they make regular jeans too but they're really kind of vintage that have these like stripe on the side they're amazing.
Sarah Milken 1:01:37
And do you have to buy like a few different sizes to see if you're the right what size it is? Because it's
Jennifer Fisher 1:01:42
like vintage rework so they always are covered I buy a lot of redone too.
Sarah Milken 1:01:47
So I used to I started buying last I don't know why I bought you like really stiff jeans right?
Jennifer Fisher 1:01:53
I do. I don't really I do have stretch freedoms that I wear like if I wear like over the knee boots and like a sweater but I collect jeans because I'm so casual either wear suits. I've been wearing more dresses lately. Oddly.
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:06
I don't know why. Interesting. Maybe it's just maybe it's flattening it out. Yeah, maybe
Sarah Milken 1:02:11
it's like ventilation. Maybe it's entering like New York summer you need like crotch ventilation.
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:18
So funny as I was talking to one of my friends that I haven't figured out like what's my New York City like dead of heat disgusting vibe going to be this year?
Sarah Milken 1:02:27
I can't even imagine
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:28
I'll just be in LA a lot.
Sarah Milken 1:02:30
Yeah, I mean, you're that's called like a Fitz Athan is what it is okay, only one t shirt.
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:36
I would take sold out. My friend has a company called sold out CNN on your thing. Oh my god.
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:42
It's the perfect white t small or medium Extra small. What? I mean extra small. Is it stretchy? It isn't little stretchy.
Sarah Milken 1:02:52
So your boobs fill up.
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:54
She also makes amazing tank tops. This
Jennifer Fisher 1:02:56
is this is her two. I think this is my one.
Jennifer Fisher 1:03:00
This is Sona. It's great. You don't need to wear a bra because it holds your boobs and it's thick. Oh, interesting.
Jennifer Fisher 1:03:05
Can you see my nipples?
Sarah Milken 1:03:06
Yeah, I love that. That's great. You need some nipple covers. I'm just kidding. Yeah, okay, wait. Okay, pair of shoes. Like what's your favorite shoe?
Jennifer Fisher 1:03:15
My favorite pair of shoes are my Bottega Veneta there I be between two there's the my little my cowboy boots that I have from them that's last and then I also have the the lug sole big giant boots that everyone you know the big giant
Sarah Milken 1:03:29
Yeah. Now what about like for just like every day like you have a favorite pair of Nikes or golden goose? Like what's like an every day like
Jennifer Fisher 1:03:38
I've never done golden goose. Okay, I don't like dirty sneakers. Like I'm like my son. I like a perfect Air Force One that is entirely crisp white. Like I'm one of those. Okay, if my sneakers dirty i Okay, so you want you'd like Air Force ones? I like Air Force ones old school Air Force ones. Just why? Oh, wait.
Sarah Milken 1:03:57
That's what my kids like to. Oh, wait, except, you know, is funny. I almost took a picture of it. Maybe I'll take a picture of it tonight. My son came home from school and he was wearing his old version and his old ones, his old white ones. And it was so cute because they had been drawn on you know, like used to draw your sneakers in high school.
Jennifer Fisher 1:04:15
Well, that's funny that you say that my son has one. I should pull it out here and show you from Camp. It's disgusting and muddy. And all of his friends from Camp wrote on it and it's in his room. So
Sarah Milken 1:04:26
cute. No, but it was funny because I was when I was talking to him last night. He's wearing the shoes and I can see all these like little stars and hearts and all these things like lining the whole inner soul and I was like, oh my god, I remember when I did that. Right? So cute. It's cute. It is cute. I mean, he's like, like definitely like more like kind of artsy ish but like that's not something I've seen him do and I was like that means that those shoes are probably on their way out and he's going to start because the new shoes are super like crunchy and stack so he's like gotten into those yet.
Jennifer Fisher 1:05:00
I'm gonna totally date as remember like when we were in high school and you remember the binders that you could actually, remember, remember, like the binders and we've been in the composition books and we'd all decorate them and condiment? Yes. And then, like, do all that stuff.
Sarah Milken 1:05:15
Oh my god, like 16 candles. That's That's what Jake's named after. Oh, Jake. Jake Ryan and 16 candles. His birth certificate doesn't even say Jacob. It's just J. S Marin is after Amanda Pete's and Something's gotta give. Oh, that's so funny. Isn't that funny? And you know what's even weirder is that her daughter is in my daughter's grade at school. We used to party
Jennifer Fisher 1:05:41
with Amanda back. Kevin, she's
Jennifer Fisher 1:05:43
right. She's,
Sarah Milken 1:05:45
she's great. And so my daughter's like, oh my god, that's so funny. My name is because of your mom's role. And sometimes. I know it's not weird. I don't even I'm not even like a movie. Not I don't know why my kids have like are named F movies. That's so funny. It doesn't even make sense. But whatever. Okay, three package
Jennifer Fisher 1:06:04
snacks. The C
Jennifer Fisher 1:06:07
snacks that I just showed you. Okay? I take my own mix. Can I say that? It's not packaged. I mix my own nuts. I take cat raw cashews and raw sprouted almonds. And I make my own bag because like, that's another thing. I'm like somebody needs to make, like a better mix of nuts that are clean. No one wants a sprouted. Amen.
Jennifer Fisher 1:06:29
Oh, it's like let me show
Jennifer Fisher 1:06:30
you. These are good. And a lot of them tastes like shit. Let me get you the pack. Hold on. So sprouted almonds. This is a really good. Oh, so they're soaked in water. And then once there so it's like it basically sprouts so it completes the like the natural like germination of the seed. And then so it kind of tastes like It tastes like it's almost like hollow inside. I don't know if I've ever like is there actually like broken in half? Interesting because they've been they've been sprouted. They've been so
Sarah Milken 1:07:03
do you only sprout almonds or other nuts sprouted too?
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:07
Well I soak cashews all the time to make sauces like you need to make my girlfriend you need to make my my vodka sauce with cashews. It's so fucking good. And what Bukka good is like cashews pasta sauce, Kevin. I put it on a jovial use their their grain free pasta.
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:24
That sounds disgusting. So fucking
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:27
good. I should I mean, when I'm in LA, I'm gonna come to your fucking house and I'm gonna get you're gonna be like,
Sarah Milken 1:07:32
oh, shoot, wait, just it's just, it's just grain free pasta. It doesn't taste like cardboard.
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:38
It tastes you get It's an acquired taste. And you have to rinse it because
Sarah Milken 1:07:42
I know that sounds gonna save a whole rinsing saga to know you just take
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:45
it into fucking colander, my CD to colander and you rinse it and then you do the show
Sarah Milken 1:07:53
notes. You're gonna go. I mean, honestly, I
Jennifer Fisher 1:07:57
feel it matches my swirl dinnerware I'm in I feel
Sarah Milken 1:08:01
sorry for the person who's doing the show notes for this because this is gonna be like a link cow. Okay, so one listener wrote in and said, okay, so Jennifer Fisher has obviously become a style icon. And she wants to know how you Yeah. And she wants to know how you describe your style.
Jennifer Fisher 1:08:20
I'm kind of a tomboy. Like, I'm always I'm pretty
Sarah Milken 1:08:23
sassy tomboy, though, let's be honest. Thanks.
Jennifer Fisher 1:08:28
I don't know. I feel like I always kind of dress like a little I'm not super feminine. Sometimes if it's dressy, it's structured. And it's tailored. I wear a lot of suits. It's hard to describe in one word. And my daily look is really casual. Like I need to be comfortable. I sit cross legged get a lot at my desk and so I have I wear jeans a lot so I have tons of jeans. I don't know I'm a Yeah, but
Sarah Milken 1:08:52
if you don't wear stretchy jeans, how do you sit cross legged?
Jennifer Fisher 1:08:55
Stretchy feels creepy to me when I when I crossed it. Isn't that weird? That that's really creeps me out.
Sarah Milken 1:09:01
I understand what you're saying because there's certain brands of stretchy jeans that I will not wear because they feel like fluffy and too loose. But there's certain stretches that I do like because like if I'm going on an aeroplane and I like not even an aeroplane but like like right now like if I have to sit for something for a long time. I don't want some starchy pair jeans like in my crotch.
Jennifer Fisher 1:09:23
Oh see, like I'm okay. I don't know, I guess like maybe I'm used to it.
Sarah Milken 1:09:26
Yeah, you're used to cameltoe
Jennifer Fisher 1:09:29
I don't get a cameltoe so I'm big enough where I don't wear skin tight jeans. But I also I like to have that's why we're a little tank tops. I like to have my armpits out.
Jennifer Fisher 1:09:39
I don't know why it's interesting.
Jennifer Fisher 1:09:41
I like to Yeah, I guess that's my I guess that's my form of air conditioning. See but I my armpits are up
Sarah Milken 1:09:53
it's like when I go the hairdresser and I'm like where's that fuckin fan that I have to put under my dress because her air conditioning is not won't be high enough and I'm like, no fall on sweat. Okay, before we wrap up this five hour call, that's probably going to be three episodes, but no one's gonna care because everyone's gonna want to listen to it. I want to ask you this. What is your bottom line advice on midlife and enjoying the journey and not just focusing on the destination?
Jennifer Fisher 1:10:21
I know exactly what it is to not give a fuck. I've taken zero
Jennifer Fisher 1:10:27
time. Zero Fox, it took a really long time for me to get here.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:32
I don't give a fuck anymore.
Sarah Milken 1:10:34
I don't get it. Did you get there? Okay, and how long did it take you?
Jennifer Fisher 1:10:37
It took forever. And I've just recently gotten there. This has been a journey my entire life. I used to care so much. And it fucked me up so badly. And I think I'd be so much further business if I didn't listen to other people. And I didn't think that what other people said whereas was important. And I took that advice. And I thought other people were right. And I didn't just listen to myself, like, trust yourself. And don't give a fuck what other people say. That's it and be yourself. That's another thing I wasn't myself for so long, which is the biggest shame young girls be yourself. Don't worry about it, you're gonna get shit for it, probably. But at the end, it's worth it.
Sarah Milken 1:11:18
But how did you get to that point? Like, I know that a lot of years of pain, a lot of years of but did you wake up one day and you're like, Okay, ZeroFOX or you tortured Kevin long enough listening to your stories, and I'm telling you not to give a fuck? Like, why did that happen?
Jennifer Fisher 1:11:34
Nah, it's just one day I just started was like, I don't really I'm gonna be me. And I think it was like around, it was around, kind of before COVID ish, I was leaning into 50 My late 40s When I finally was like, I'm Why do I fucking care like I need to, it's what is working is finally me being myself. What is working is finally just doing what I think is right, not what other people tell me to do, or they think is right. And just putting my own like my real self out there. And not trying to like, think that I have to be, you know, a certain way to be this type of, you know, a jewelry designer or whatever. Like, I think it's why I went into food so much is where food, I really could totally just authentically be 100% who I am. And it was my own. It's my own thing that I didn't feel judged. And I didn't feel that people were were micro like nitpicking at me, because so many people actually needed help with it. And that gave me the freedom to then with my business. Kind of just be like, I'm gonna do the same thing here. It's working here. Why am I not doing that here, and with my life and with who I am, just be yourself.
Jennifer Fisher 1:12:47
And don't give a shit.
Sarah Milken 1:12:49
I know it's such an important, such an important like mantra to repeat yourself and remind yourself and our kids, it's like, one of the things of this podcast is I'm like, do you whatever that is just do fucking you because doing me in for you is not doing you like, and I don't want to do you. So you it's just it seems so basic, but it's so true.
Jennifer Fisher 1:13:13
It's so hard. And I think it takes a level of maturity to get there and get there younger are so lucky, because they have the time. The one thing that we don't have now is the time. And so if you can recognize that earlier in life, and you how much further you will go in life, if you recognize how powerful you are in your own self, not looking like put, you know, take your horse, put your horse blinders on and don't look out and around at like what is out there, look into yourself, stop comparing yourself to other people. Just be yourself. And who cares. Everyone's gonna have a fucking hard time with you. That's their problem, not yours. Someone's gonna have something to say who cares?
Sarah Milken 1:13:55
I also think that I mean, speak just speaking for myself. And maybe for you, I think because we have such supportive spouses. At least for me, it gives me a little bit more freedom to be authentically me, because I know that I will always have that undying support at the end of the day. Yes, that's very true. And I'm so grateful for that.
Jennifer Fisher 1:14:17
I am. So if you don't have that it's very hard to accomplish many things. I agree.
Sarah Milken 1:14:23
And I say that to my kids all the time. I'm like, I know, you think I'm micromanaging the fuck out of you. I know that blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, they know that they like come home and there's going to be parents here who care who are present. And they know that those are important things. They're not always doable. I totally get that. But at the end of the day, you can be more you if your basic needs are being met.
Jennifer Fisher 1:14:50
Yes. And I think
Jennifer Fisher 1:14:52
the advice to younger women out there to who are single and dating and things like that. Also, it's so important to pick your partner for the right reason. So yeah, you need to pick that person that you know is going to support you and is going to help you be your best version of yourself. I got very, very, very lucky with Kevin.
Sarah Milken 1:15:10
I know me too. People are like, how do you do it? Like, why do you Yeah, why do you still go out to dinner with your arm go out to lunch with your husband or like, meet him somewhere? And I'm like, like, yeah, because I like him. And even though he annoys a fuck out of me, and he didn't care, I was having a colonoscopy. And I can't wait for him to have his, like, at the end of the day, like, he's like my person. Yeah, you know, so when everything else feels like shitty and crummy. I'm like, okay, like, I have that sense of security, you know, and I'm not sure everyone has that. Yeah. And I appreciate that.
Jennifer Fisher 1:15:44
Yeah, I do, too.
Jennifer Fisher 1:15:45
I do too. So and, you know, the fact that that he can also be that role model for for the children and for our kids, like, not everybody has that. So, you know, we're very privileged to have all of that.
Sarah Milken 1:15:56
I know, I'm scratching my husband's back right now. He's gonna appreciate that. Because usually he'll like walk the dog at night listening to my podcast and go, Okay, I got crucified for this. I got crucified for that. So once in a while, I have to like throw in like, you know,
Jennifer Fisher 1:16:11
a little bonus. No, you seem like you have a great husband.
Sarah Milken 1:16:15
Now. He's, he's cool. He's good. I
Jennifer Fisher 1:16:17
think I'm in the way to invest. I have to just,
Sarah Milken 1:16:20
I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find you that picture because Kevin is gonna get it.
Jennifer Fisher 1:16:26
I'll get it for him.
Sarah Milken 1:16:27
Yeah, Kevin's gonna be wearing that when he's like walking the streets of New York City. You know? And for you guys, because you're always wearing coats. Yeah, like you can literally be sporting the weighted vest under the coat. It's so I mean, for the the female version I got. So you sweating like snow? I'm gonna show you I'm gonna find it for you and
Jennifer Fisher 1:16:49
I were we did this. Love you though. November. No,
Sarah Milken 1:16:53
but it might. The whole thing with like your weights and like the pilates and the bone density. You
Jennifer Fisher 1:16:59
might actually like it. I love the story. You told me about the woman that you're talking to. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. That's that's a reason to do that. I'm
Sarah Milken 1:17:08
saying like, she goes on a walk every single day with the weighted vest. Here. Look. Doesn't hurt your boobs? No, because it goes right in between them. It's like a why?
Jennifer Fisher 1:17:19
How many pounds is that? This one's eight.
Sarah Milken 1:17:21
My husband's is 20 I thought you were talking like a 30 pound. Oh, it's an eight pound vest that goes up and down like that like a why? Yeah. Jeremy's is 20. And his is like weird. It's like, hot and tight. And I was like, I feel like that creates fat rolls like that does not work for me.
Jennifer Fisher 1:17:39
I'm gonna get Kevin one and then give it where it
Jennifer Fisher 1:17:43
is. Friends. Check
Sarah Milken 1:17:45
me out. I know. He's like, can you hang up on this bitch please? Jen. Honestly, I have loved talking to you. So far. You've been on one like my list since we started I fucking love you. And I think the best part of getting older I think is like you said, getting to do me more. Yeah, giving ZeroFOX teaching my kids to be kind and so give ZeroFOX getting more comfortable in my own skin. And it sounds like we're all on the same page. You are a an amazing businesswoman, jewelry designer recipe guru health influencer I fucking love you love your honesty. Love your dirty mouth. Love your midlife advice. Happy to call you a new friend and Fab guests. I'm flexible neurotic.
Jennifer Fisher 1:18:36
Thank you my new friend I love No, I love me That was so fun.
Sarah Milken 1:18:44
Oh my god. So fun.
Hey, peeps, it's me again. I listened to this episode with Jennifer Fisher jewelry designer, entrepreneur and kitchen and recipe guru. So I could summarize the golden nuggets for you to have actionable items to start using today. These are the golden nuggets for the part two of the episode. If you haven't listened to part one, go back and listen to part one from last week. You'll fucking love it. It's just as juicy as this part two. The reason I do the Golden Nugget summary is because I know that after a long podcast episode, I'm like oh, I fucking love that. And now I can't even remember what the specifics were. So in this part two we dive in again with Jennifer talking about business family midlife raising teenagers the whole thing. Golden Nugget number one eating healthy and midlife hormones during midlife. There are a lot of women who struggle with spontaneous arousal, but not Jennifer lol. She says that she isn't taking anything medicinal for her libido. Jennifer simply explains that it's all in the food. Once she started eating healthier and treating her body better than her sex drive and proved I guess I better start eating better. She also said that it helped her physically to by making her menopausal symptoms go away before she was experiencing the midlife brain fog, grouchiness and all of the other physical when transitioning in that whole Peri menopausal timeframe that we're all in right now Jennifer says that when she started this new nutritional lifestyle, of eating healthy and exercising in a consistent way that her entire body recalibrated and it was almost instantaneous, Golden Nugget number two, do your fucking research. If you want to start a healthier nutritional lifestyle, for example, then you have to do your research. The first step is clear out your fridge of all the bad stuff. Jennifer explains that this might cost you a little bit because you're resetting your entire pantry refrigerator, insides of your kitchen life. And she suggests that whatever food can be salvageable to donate to a shelter so that you're not wasting it. Step two is being more precise at the grocery store. Don't just buy shit because it looks good. You have to read the fucking label. The labels share a lot of information about the ingredients that we're putting into our bodies. For example, we talk about all the different kinds of plant milks. Well we all think we're being so healthy by using an almond milk instead of a regular mill, but a lot of the almond milks have gums and fillers. So we have to find the brands that don't have them. Jennifer explains that she grew up kind of eating shitty processed bars and processed protein powders, thinking it was the best thing to do because she got sucked into the toxicity of diet culture. She reminds us that nobody's perfect. And then if you're hungry, you need to eat and to never starve yourself. But to find the things that work for your body and fine tuning it for good health and just like fucking feeling better and not so groggy, and gross. Golden Nugget number three. Diversify your friendships. Jen and I talks a lot about friendship. Jen says it's important to have a large, diverse group of friends in midlife. For example, you can have all your friends be your school mom, friends, you need some friends that work in different environments come from different backgrounds. And this is so beneficial because that way you have friends who serve all different purposes and support and connect you in all different ways. Golden Nugget number four, finding the joy in each day. With all the chaotic things in mid life, family, business, kids cooking, all of it. Jennifer says it's important to find something each day that you enjoy. This doesn't have to be some huge fucking thing. It can be something as small as talking on the phone with a friend reading a book checking in with yourself. For Jennifer it's cooking her favorite meals and having her kids and husband there to eat them. Personally, that sounds like a fucking nightmare because cooking is not my skill set. But hey, if it works for you, or works for Jen and makes everyone happy to do it, Jennifer explains that you needed to do something within your day that is recharging and resetting you in some way and cooking does that for her golden nugget number five age like you in midlife, there are going to be people that are so judgmental about the choices you make, especially when it comes to how you age. Jen reminds us that is our midlife and nobody's opinions on how you age should matter. Jen says I'm in this body as myself one time so I should be able to do the way I want to. It's that simple. If you want to age naturally then go for it. And if you want fucking Botox and fillers, etc, and all of that great too. It's your prerogative peeps. Everyone should be doing whatever makes them feel good. And remember it goes both ways. If you don't want to be judged by the choices you make, then don't fucking judge other women who are making different choices. We're all in this together. Don't be a mean girl. Be a supportive midlife woman Golden Nugget number six. Jennifer's bottom line advice when I asked Jen, what's your bottom line advice on midlife and enjoying the journey? And not just focusing on the destination? She simply said, I know exactly what it is to not give a fuck. Jennifer explains that she used to care so much about the peanut gallery and what other people thought. And she believes that she would be so much further. I mean, I don't even know how she could be further in her business. It's like exploding, but if she hadn't listened to the external peanut gallery she said one day she was approaching her 50s and decided that she was going to live authentically herself. No matter what. Just be yourself and stop comparing yourself to others. Jennifer says this journey has been throughout her life but she can finally say that she gives zero fucks the gold is dripping off these nuggets, grab it, use it. If you haven't listened to part one. Go back and listen to part one. There are three things you can do. Don't first subscribe to the fucking podcast. Don't just listen to random episodes here and there, subscribe commit, it's free. And when you subscribe it helps the podcast grow second, share it with some friends who like mid life shit. And third write an apple review. Writing a review is fucking annoying. And I know for midlife women just like me, they're like, I don't even know how to write a review. DM me, I'll fucking explain it. You go into Apple podcasts where you would listen to a podcast episode you scroll all the way to the bottom where the ratings and reviews are. And it literally says write a review and you click on it. I mean, come on you guys. If I can do it, you can do it. Also, if you DM me, it's me. It's always me responding. No one else is in my Instagram. And of course, follow my instagram at the flexible neurotic da love you. Talk soon.