Episode 20 transcript

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Hi peeps. Welcome to the next episode of the flexible neurotic podcast. I'm Dr. Sarah Milken. I have two gorgeous guests today. It's gonna be fun. They're to LA women who you have watched on TV for many years who are redefining and helping us to reimagine female aging in the lens of the Hollywood eye, and talk about how they self recreated after Hollywood was done with them for being past a certain age. Lisa Breckenridge and Dorothy Lucy. Hi, you guys. I didn't get the memo was officially done with us, Georgia.

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No.

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laces still live. You still have a job?

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That's, that's by Hollywood's not calling Okay, they're done. Yes, they're done with you. But you've re pivoted so you're okay. Right. I think Dorothy and I both have and I think that Dorothy has always set an example of for me since the day I first met her and I always kind of follow her as well I am old. You're

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you look at your heart though Dorothy look good. leading with grace during this whole all of the transitions that we've been through because obviously Dorothy and I worked together at Fox and that's how we got to know I said we had babies together but I you know, I wasn't there and delivery I just you know, watched you want in the stirrups when your clothes dirty. and I are because I think that one of the things when we were on the show that you mentioned we were both on a show called good de la I know I still have to do my little intros for you just know

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when you work with two women show up to

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your station so I'm going to do my like two sentences about each of you guys and then we're going to dive into the Dorothy Lucy duo. Okay, so Lisa 30 years in the news, former Fox News caster mom of teen twins which I give you credit for because I only have 116 year old 16 year old and I'm like oh my god, creator of online platform happily, Lisa, so excited to have Lisa Breckenridge. Lisa is also a correspondent on California live, which airs on NBC stations throughout California. Happily, Lisa, her online platform, which we're going to dive deep into later is dedicated to helping women over 40 live their best lives. but who's counting? Right 40 5060 right. So we have Lisa. Hi, Lisa and Dorothy, our other hottie today. Dorothy Lucy is an entertainment reporter and co hosted fox is good day la with Steve Edwards for 20 years. When I read that I was like, Oh my gosh, wow. Dorothy also hosts her Igy live series healers with love. She says she's an occasional podcaster and can also be caught paddleboarding. I've seen those hot photos on Instagram, and her her involvement in one of her favorite nonprofits called mending kits. Hi, Dorothy. Hi, you.

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You and Dorothy Lisa have become influencers in the female over 40 space. And this podcast as I've told you is normalizing and inspiring the post 40 midlife remix. So my intentions for this episode are we're going to look at your work and TV, what it took the exhilarating parts, the hard parts when they tried to take you out of your game and how you pivoted and self recreated into the now. And of course we're going to talk about how you keep your faces and bodies tight. minds calm and clear. Are you ready? So ready? So ready. Okay, so let's start. Both of you guys were big Hollywood TV personalities. Tell me about that. And then tell me what happened. Just copyright Just do it. Wait, I'm not sure about the premise. Okay, it let's start. Lisa, where were you? I will talk for Dorothy because Dorothy is the most uncomfortable person when it comes to talking about herself in her car. Okay, so we're gonna do a kudos to Dorothy right now. Yeah, yeah, no, Dorothy truly helped redefine morning television and entertainment news, I think and she was really very pivotal in, in much of what you see today, even though we didn't know that's what was happening at the time. So I think up until like, good de la news and morning shows had a specific format and then Steve, Joanna, Dorothy came along and they really shook that up. And for Dorothy, it was really truly being her most authentic self, which at times would be on air fighting with herself through you know, her religious beliefs. And then also talking about some of the tabloid journalism stuff that was going on out there. Some of the, you know, the entertainment stuff that that always did make her feel so good.

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Great. So I think that's why people really loved watching her because for her, she was such a tortured soul. For some time you she, you shared your vulnerabilities, which we can all relate to. Yeah, Dorothy was delivering, like all types of entertainment news, but also struggle sometimes with the gossip portion of doing it. Because really, she was doing stuff right before even TMC started doing things. And I really think she started to shape some of that, that then we started seeing, you know, we were on air to get there for three hours a day, I was on actually longer because I did news before and after, in so I think what the show allowed us to do was really develop a relationship with each other and with our viewers, which actually, if you look at how people are now with on their iPhones and their podcasts, and you know, their Instagram lives, people are sharing so much of themselves the way we saw those three, do it back in the 90s. You guys were first? Yeah, I really thought they enjoy. We just kind of made worse but but Dorothy really had an ability to connect with the stars and connect with her audience. And so watching her tell a story was always so fun. She never would like to read what was put in front of her. So she always tinkered with it to make sure to make sure it really sounded like herself. And I think that was part of the magic of dorkin. She was such a great voice too. Yeah, yeah. I think the whole show was really in Chrome. Yes, very much so. And you know, and it just had microneedling. So it's already crawling a little bit.

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Sitting so far back, I think we sort of made screw ups. Okay, on TV. And when we started, we had little, you know, hash mark, which means something different to TV, it means absolutely no one is watching, like not one human being, they can't detect a human being watching. And so I think we just kind of, were having a conversation and doing our own thing. And then we didn't stop that when people started watching. And I know Lisa knows this story, but I had this moment of I was at my Ralph's, which is, in the past year been the only place I've gone for fun. That's super sexy, and a woman came up to me, lamb at Ralph's. Yeah, it's like in Malibu that is like the central of all, there's not that much to do out here. So there's not. So I'm at Ralph's and this woman who I did not know. And normally I know everybody, Ralph's came up to me and said, Oh, my God, you don't need a facelift. And I was like, excuse me. And then I realized I had said that morning on a show that nobody was watching, oh, my God, when am I going to get a facelift? And then I realized, oh, people are watching. But I think we didn't really change. I think we kept that same. I hate that word, authentic. But because it's so overused now. But I think we were our authentic selves, probably too much. I would say to you said what you were thinking, which is, I think what people relate to, and I think people relate to both of you because you're sharing the sort of glamorous parts of Hollywood and being in Hollywood, but also just that your normal people living everyday live. Well. And I think Lisa Breck and I who have shared a bunch of small spaces on big red carpets, we always did kind of show the sausage being made, you know, like, like, you're smashed in, and you have to drag your long dress and a porta potty and you have to walk a mile, if you want to pee at the Oscars. Because you have to go through security five times. Now you have a mask and a gown. I mean, that's sexy to

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so many Codemasters helpful yesterday with the micro needling the mask was very helpful in height. I know that's like it was like been hiding my pimple that's been sitting here that I got from wearing a mask. Now when you guys got the news that you were no longer needed at Fox. Can you tell me about that? Mine came after Dorothy's. But I will, I'm going to tell you a little story leading up to it. The year that I was about to turn 50 someone that we love so much. And this is not this is not a disparaging comment to him at all. It's it is he was just being realistic about the way Hollywood is and the way a viewing audience can be or the way executives think of viewing audience can be so so excited, I was turning 50. And I proclaimed that the newsroom because I'm just that narcissistic, that it was going to be the year of Lisa 50 was going to be nearly set. And I was so excited. So I mean, I made it a thing. And Steve, who we love, pull me aside if you really want to say that you're turning 50 because then everyone in the viewing audience now has a number to you. And before they don't, you're just that cute, quirky girl, and you're kind of agelessness like, so proud. Really proud. Like, you know, I've taken care of myself and I have an amazing job and I have an amazing family. I've hit 50 I think I should celebrate that. It's like well just think about it. And I went ahead and did it. And again, this is not disparaging to Steve at all because he was just saying what a TV executive would say I don't think you could disparage Steve

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I mean we did we do every day

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every single day at any given my meals but he can dish it he can take it that's how it seems that's how it is. But so it fast forward to two years later and I was let go just out of the blue like I knew my contract was coming up actually the day that they were supposed to go into negotiations for it. I had a horrible accident on air, I ended up with a concussion. And I really broke my nose. I had had my nose done, like two years before because I had severe like daily nosebleeds like on air, we would be jamming clean it up while I was alive on air because I had had a nose job when I was 16. And obviously something over time had not done well and through actually holes and broken bones like jutting out in my nose. So I had that done like two years before this accident, and I actually re broke it got a concussion. And I remember Steve looking someone and saying, Well, she's gonna get her contract renewed no problem.

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This was you riding a scooter on the set, right? Yeah, yes, riding a scooter in the news room set, which they asked me to do during a commercial break. And I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll do it. And it was so crowded, the scooter jolted off and I was trying to avoid a big boom mic. And in trying to avoid the camera actually on a boom, I ran into a bank of TV monitors in crushed by

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CNN did stories about it like it was on TMZ Dorothy's laughing no one else can see this. She's like dying in the corner. Because Wasn't there a cute paramedic? Oh my god, I had the hottest paramedic come. And so um, you know, I'm like, the back of an ambulance, there was my beautiful dress on I think my chanel purse on my on my lap. And then like, how do you make hot, you know, ambulance driver, you know, technician or whatever there. And he was not mentioned on TMZ. So it was like this whole little, like a whole Grey's Anatomy, my

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God. But literally, two weeks later, I got back from vacation because we had a vacation planned. And I basically couldn't kind of leave low during that whole vacation because I just, I didn't feel well we and because of the mild concussion that I got. And when I got back, literally one day, I loved my job so much like I even like, would have taken half the money for the job that I had. Because I loved what I did every single day, I loved the whole aspect of television, I loved researching a story I loved getting to interview whether it was a celebrity a doctor, everyday person who had done something, I loved breaking news, I loved going in and having my makeup and hair done in the morning, you know, it was like that. All of it was just like this wonderful experience. You know, not there was obviously bad stuff along the way too. But so I went in, I was like, you know, just I know you guys are in negotiations, and it's coming up. But I just you know, I take half the salary that you're paying, because I love my job. And I know, you know, times are tough, and you need to hire more reporters. Like that's how much I loved my job. Literally Two days later, she called me and she's like, yeah, they called me I had just done the new show. And they said, they need to see you up in HR. But what had happened was my co anchor was also told she had to go up to HR. And so I knew something was wrong since she was going up. And then she came back. She's like, well, they they just let me go. Wow, it my phone rang. And I was told to go up. And they just gave they said, We're sorry. We're not going to renew your contract. We're just restructuring. And so you can just pack your stuff and leave today. Did they tell you to keep it a secret? No, no. But they said I spent I need to be able to say goodbye to my family here. Like my floor director. My writers like we were family. They're like, Yeah, no, no, if you need any help finding videotape, I'm sure you'll need to make it real, which I hadn't thought about making a real someone can help you do that. But yeah, just get your thoughts on the years that you've been there at that point. At Oh, yeah. And so it was it was kind of a shock. And I know my story's a little bit different than Dorothy's. But it was just like it couldn't process it. And so I took a couple months just to kind of process it and get my nose really fixed and think about what I wanted to do. Yeah, get ready for your pivot, right? Yeah. Now, Dorothy, how was your experience on the way out? Did you get kicked to the curb nicely? I don't think anybody gets kicked to the curb nicely. And TV, right. I'm just wondering if Lisa everyday did the ambulance driver, but I don't think she did. I didn't know. I was Oh, he she was

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so it would have been very convenient. Then today the ambulance driver. We got a new boss and he

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He told me one day that he thought my voice made his eyes bleed. So I knew it wasn't a compliment. So I kind of had a feeling things weren't going

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to show. I love your voice, it's really easy. Thank you, ah, people get tired of it. That's my husband, I knew that things weren't going great. But you know, I mean, our show was was kind of a powerhouse in LA. So I really didn't think that he was gonna fire me, I thought he was just gonna hate me. So I actually, we've mentioned the Oscars before it was the morning of the Oscars. And he called me on the carpet on the red carpet and said, we're giving you a three month extension. So normally in TV, you get a three year deal. And that's the way it used to be. So he was giving me three months. So I thought, okay, I'm kind of on probation here. But I still really didn't take that as a huge red flag warning sign that it was. And in three months, I got the call to come up to HR, which Lisa, did you even know where it was? I didn't even know where it was in the building. We were both the best employees you could ever wave. The definition of a good girl? Yeah. woman and a good employee, and like someone who would like give blood for the cut.

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So yeah, no, I've never been called to HR. Wow. So I go up there. And it's the new boss and some lady from HR who kept looking at me, like I was gonna vomit on her shoes or something. And he said to me, it was another five second meeting. He said, we want to do a smarter, nicer show. And I was like, I was the smart one. And he also told me to say, Well, basically, he wanted me to lie about that to say that it was my decision that I wanted to spend more time with my family. And I just thought, because our show was always so reality show. That's why I asked Lisa, that because I read that. Wow. So I said I wouldn't lie about it, which was really dumb, because I should have lied about it. Everybody lives about getting fired, I should have I read that book years later about the view all the chicks on the view, and everybody who said they were leaving, for whatever reason, they let me stay on the air for a while, which I thought was weird. That doesn't normally happen Normally, you know, like Lisa said, You're marched out of the building, and hopefully, you know, send your photographs. It may have been because it was made sweeps. And they might not have wanted to make that kind of radical change in May sweeps. But eventually, he gave me a day, which was the last day of May sweeps and said, you know, say goodbye. I didn't want to go by on the air because I just I didn't know how to handle it. I to do three hours of live TV and then walk away.

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That's so emotional. I was in

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Nashville at the time visiting my family. And I remember watching and Gil was crying you cried. I often wonder like, was that harder or easier or being able to or never being able to say anything? Because I wasn't told not to say what I was just told never to come back. You know. So I don't know, which is easier to to help you process what you're going through. But did you both sort of know that it was because you sort of aged out of what they thought was Hollywood material, and they wanted someone younger? And whatever? Oh, yeah. I mean, I for me, I certainly thought that I was always trying to I always say, remain ambiguously close to 40. Right. Like, just do enough micro detail and show that, you know, you would as as Steve said to you, Lisa, that you sort of didn't have a nominee. But obviously that didn't work. Yeah. And, you know, I think that for the people that were brought in because I was there, I was there after Dorothy with her and then after, in like a transitory like in a transition period, like I was there to help as they were like auditioning woman after woman. They did hire women that were 20 years younger. Mm hmm. They've never found a perfect match at just FYI, since they let go of Dorothy and Jill, like it. And Lisa,

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every couple of years, there's a new news director every couple of years, there's a new person in that seat. They're trying a new format. And I think instead of executives looking at ability for women or age to still be able to connect with the viewers that have grown up with us, you know, I think for Dorothy and for myself and for anyone who is on in that position, who was privileged to have that position. We have people of all ages of all races of all walks of life coming up to us at any given time saying oh my gosh, I woke up to you every single morning. And I think sometimes executives need to look at other things other than just the talent to try and make something work in Hollywood. Right. Dorothy when you got that news, obviously you were devastated. But how did you sort of re imagine in your mind so that you could

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Figure out how to pivot. I mean, you've been doing something for so long and doing it so well and somebody takes that away from you like, how do you gather enough energy to go? Okay? This is they say it's about me, but it's really about them. I'm okay as Dorothy and what am I going to do next? I think it is. It took me quite a while. I salt for some time. And I am at least notice, I'm always that I'm fine person. Oh, I'm fine. So I played that for a long time. I find. I think in the years it took me to look back fondly and process, I realized that in a way, it was a gift because my son was going into high school. And I was probably already hovering enough, but I got to drive him to school. Every morning for a couple of years. I really loved depth talk store. I say my son really loves those.

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He still over me, yes. But I realized that if I had never had a morning with him, and then I sent him off to college, I would have had a psychotic break. Hmm, I understand that. So in a way, in a way, it was a gift. I don't know that I have ever completely made the pivot and decided who I am as a grown up since I think Lisa has, I'm not even sure I am no, but you've at least committed to sort of revolving and keeping evolving and being involved in other things and creating your Instagram Live Show. And you know, getting in touch with your healers, all of these things that are important to you. And I I love a good healer. I love a good psychic. I think I jumped into my charity work, have found great joy in that. But as far as the career world, you know, I, I would love to have done more. But then looking back, I feel like I did pretty well. You did great. You are awesome. And will you tell us a little bit about your charity work? Because I know it's very important to you. And so many of us are involved in philanthropy. So when you tell us and I know you foster children in your home, will you tell us about that? Yeah, we've had kids live with us. I'm just an endless volunteer on the board. And I know my mom always volunteered us for stuff. And I continue to do that and force my son to do it. So I've been volunteering with a charity called nd kids for over 10 years. Here's the second best thing about being kicked to the curb rather than getting a chance to annoy my son for longer periods of time. And especially in the morning. I've volunteered on medical missions, I've gone around the world with bending kids. I've grown in measurably as a human. I don't know about my career, but it is a human. I love that. No, I think we're all doing that. I mean, that's how i mean i'm sure Lisa can comment on this too. I think that in this kind of what I call the self recreation journey or midlife remix, it's about figuring out not just what you can be the best dad but what you actually enjoy, because so much of our lives is so performance driven, like getting certain grades, going to certain schools, following a certain career trajectory and then, like even or even becoming an empty nester, you're a mom, like for me, I'm a mom for 16 years, my son's gonna graduate from high school in two years. What's next for me? Like who am I? What's my identity outside of being Jake and Marin's mom. And that's what that's sort of the self recreation journey of like, what I'm trying to figure out right now. What lights my fire, what am I passionate about? Like, I'm so jealous of my husband, he has so many hobbies. And I'm like, I'm the lamest person in the world. I don't have hobbies like he does. So so free creation has sort of become my hobby. Look at what you've done what you've done in the past year and created a podcast and your Instagram. And I think that's so fascinating that you thought like swimming me to do and I'm just gonna put it all out there. And I think that's what's part of just thinking. I'm gonna give it a try. Why not meet? I think that's the main question that we can all ask ourselves as well. Why not me? Like I know, give that a try. For sure. And with the Why not me? How did you pivot Lisa into happily, Lisa, your online platform? Do you call it a blog? I do. And it's out there right now. But it's sat kind of dormant for the past two years, just because I went through a lot of life changes. I went through losing the job that led to being really aware of what was going on in my house. And that ended my marriage. And then it was, you know, what can I do next, but in that phase right after losing my job, I thought about going back to work for a television company. And so I went back to work for CBS for two days.

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And I got a call from the from the news director who is a friend that I love dearly, that goes we go back to my Sacramento days. And when I worked for NBC up there, and he's like, I'm so poor. I just can't believe I have to call it up.

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about this, but it is about your hair, your clothes, does not like them. And can you like make your hair smoother? And can you wear something not so bright, you know, it was just one of those phone conversations. I was like, Oh, and I knew it wasn't him. And I knew it was the general manager who's no longer there, I think kicked out under some of some Mewtwo movement type situation where a lot of the people at CBS were and they hadn't liked how I looked. And I thought I don't want to live my life. Like if this I'm two days in, and they don't recognize the fact that they have a journalist with them that has covered the market for 18 years, and has invaluable context and insights and knowledge of the area. And they're going to be hung up on my hair for two days. And that beautiful jacket I had on and the beautiful dress, then this place is not going to be for me there, they're never going to. So yes, stupid stuff about the hair, I knew I wasn't going to be a fit. And so I just decided I wasn't going to go back, I wasn't going to try and conform. When I knew I had all this other valuable. I was such a valuable commodity in my mind. And I think that's how we have to think of ourselves. And so that's when I decided to start a website where I thought I could tell my stories, and no one was going to you know, not like my hair or my clothes or my makeup or whatever, and create a little bit of a community and I did that for a good year. And then it kind of had to sit idle because I just didn't have the resources to put into it. And when I went through my divorce and this past year we've been working on relaunching it and in the next couple of weeks it will relaunch again I'm so excited. Oh no and you know, we cover all types of things. So from beauty treatments, you know, to cool exercises to have Dorothy like a video paddleboarding. How to look hot on your paddleboard, yes, like, you know, the types of meditation I do to you know, I made that chicken recipe of yours last night.

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Yes with the cornflakes because it was really, we're sharing the recipe videos. Again, we're re repurposing them and cutting them down to 32nd reels. So I think that's part of the message that I would give anyone listening. It's like it's, you're never done. There's always ways to recreate and reimagine and repurpose. And I think those are really key rewards to keep in your mind. Because like the videos that I shot two years ago, now Instagrams changed and reels do better because they're 30 seconds, and your eyes can go through those as opposed to a minute and Instagrams really pushing those now. So we're cutting my videos down to 32nd reels, and actually making them better videos. And so I think the biggest message is, is you just never stop evolving and reimagining yourself, you know, and even though two years ago, I'm like, well, that stuff is still good. So I'm going to redo it. And look, you guys both thought this week and you made it Dorothy so

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my I told people on my podcast that my daughter, my 14 year old daughter is the one who cooks so I actually forwarded the recipe to her. I'm like this has happened in the next two weeks. She was like, Okay, let's do the chicken tenders just as my tip for you.

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It impacted those and then I double the recipe for the coding, because I really like it coded. But yeah, that's my ratio. I'm gonna put that recipe in the show notes because it obviously got a lot of attention. Now, Dorothy, I read that used to get up at 315 in the morning, in the beginning, and Lisa probably got up earlier. Like what the fuck how do you do that? And how do you like sit there and do makeup and hair and not feel like Dracula? Well, I mean, thank God, there were people who did that for us. And you know, that's what I miss. I missed the false eyelashes. Although we had a makeup person who would occasionally would look at me and be like, Oh my god, do you have wine last night? Did you did you eat salt? Like

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I'm living my life. You're like I'm a human. My problem is I am very disciplined. I was up even last night like I wasn't drinking wine because it's during the week I do have certain roles, but like eating junk food and watching bad TV late at night. I would do that. When I had to get up at three in the morning. Lisa is very disciplined. She would go to bed at like 615 or seven. Whenever you went to bed. You were so good. I always had the bags under my eyes. It's like a poor state fire. I looked like I'd been out the night before because I just I don't know I couldn't go to sleep. I

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just could never go sleep. Were you the middle school fast girl. No, I was a total goody, goody. Okay, but I still but my husband always says I can't miss a party. So I would go I would just be boring, but I would always go got it. Okay, now how is the public eye and social media and TV and all of those things? How have you been able to manage the inner and outer critic within that and Lisa

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Second, the follow up question to that is, how do you deal with that with your daughter, your 16 year old daughter? Well, I will tell you, we were so lucky. I think Dorothy not to have social media and and Sarah, I mean that we didn't have that growing up, right. And even for the weak part of our career, and I remember when we're not social stuff is really just starting, they started pushing it for us on the at the station wanting us to be more active in specific ways. Like, I know, there was a period where they were getting mad, I think maybe even Jill, for being on Twitter so much. And you know, now it's the social that is so important. And right, as you guys were leaving, they were realizing how critical social was and that so much of our lives are on our phones now, as opposed to on a television screen. And so when we were already starting to do things, I think some of the world actually surpassed us, you know, because we were still on television, doing it the old fashioned way. But at the same time, they were telling us, be social, be social. And so I started you know, doing stuff like that early on, I would I would do Facebook Lives during the noon show, I would just, I would put my camera up like this on a tripod. And I honestly think more people watched on Facebook Live, we would have 60,000 people watch Wow, on my iPhone, the new show to watch, like the behind the scenes and commercial break all of that, as opposed to whatever the number was actually watching it on television, social wise, like it's hard, I think this past year, because we've all had to live our lives on their phones. So it's been the only type Dorothy How do you manage social media? And how does it affect your inner critic, your outer critic, like how do you feel about social media and how it makes you feel? Well, I mean, I think I just kind of use it for fun. Now. Certainly, when I was on TV every morning, my inner critic would be there. Like me looking in the mirror with the makeup saying to me, you know, the wine last night. I mean, you're always looking at yourself, like, ah, I never watched myself because I'm too self conscious. But you know, you're sitting there in the makeup chair at four in the morning. I don't have a morning face. So

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I'm always

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at least one time I'm a little nutty, critical. But social media now for me, it's Sean. So you don't take any of it personally, you just kind of you're able to tune it out. Because some people really sort of internalize. You mean like me? Like me in comments? Uh huh. Well, I think we're all guilty of that, you know, you'll have 700 friends saying, Oh, you look pretty. And someone saying that aging very well. And focusing on that, what do you mean?

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When I say that, that person you say?

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Thank you and quotes. Now, Lisa, how do you how I mean, I have a 14 year old daughter. So obviously, I'm living through social media and trying to sort of structure for myself and be a good model for her. How are you managing it with your daughter and body image and self image and looking a certain way, especially having a high schooler? Um, well, I think this last year was probably hard for all of us, because we looked like I was starting to say, lived our life on our phones. And that was really our only form of interaction for a lot of us. And I think though, I hope that these kids are getting enough at school, and then we talk about it enough at home about what's real and what's not. We look at what is a filter, or what is you know, like that. They know that what they see on their phone is not real. I mean, they see when someone's going on a trip, just like, you know, I see if someone's going on a trip and I get envy. I mean, we're all gonna get envious of something human nature. It's human nature, though. Yeah, I think it's that part. But just realizing that this isn't as real as what real life is. And I always try and stress choose real life in person over what's on your phone. Because it's, I mean, the images that we see, for the girls like, I know, it's interesting, because when I interviewed Jason diamond, the plastic surgeon, he's like, Sarah, people come to me with filtered photos from the internet. And they're like, I want to look like this. And he's like, that's not real. Yeah. And I think we see so much of what's not real, that it's sort of all mixes together. I mean, even for me, I use filters on stories, because I'm like, Okay, I'm just going to be honest, if I don't use a filter, sometimes I'm never going to post because all I'm going to do is think about like, Oh my god, there's like dark spots over here or I have to get special lighting or this or that. So part of it is just being lazy and not wanting to have to manage for all of that. But it's also getting your message across and I think we all know that that you know people will stop if they see something that is appealing to them. So that's why for me, lighting is important. It is

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George, I have, like my whole little lights set up here, what I just did some interviews or, you know, if I'm, I always try and find the light. I mean, that's just what I hate to do, you know, you're going to look, you're going to look your best. And when you look your best, I think you're able to communicate Having said that, you know, like, I also when I was in the hospital last week, like not showered no makeup, you know, and my glasses on my thick coke bottle glasses. I just went live, because what are you going to do and not live, but I just posted stories to me like, because that's real, you're taking people along, you know, on your life, and it. And for us, you know, and for me with what I'm doing now, which is creating community where I also have brand deals and partnerships, you know, being as real as possible is always going to be the end game.

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Yeah, I definitely think it's sort of as long as you're self aware, and your viewers know that you know that it's a filter, or sometimes you use them, sometimes you don't, whatever you're in the mood for Do you feel like showing it all? and Dorothy, I think with your Instagram, you, you you pretty much convey like who you are, you're sexy? Sometimes Sometimes you're on the beach with the dog. It's like, you're showing all aspects of you. I think I also, um, Lisa always said this about me, whatever.

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Like I vomit information, she would say something to me before I went on TV. And whatever the last thing she said to me, I would repeat, which was always your favorite thing. Lisa, I know.

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I

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I didn't I didn't have a filter, not filters filter will vote. I think I'll say like if I filter the picture or I'm that person if I'm rejecting I'm going to tell you this is a free gift. I'm I'm compulsively weird that way, where you feel like you have to share about it right. Now, do you guys feel like Lisa, for you? I think we talked about this when we went on and I was having like an issue with the zoom. Do you feel like you're just learning as you go? Like, you're obviously not a website master in creating your platform? But how have you gotten okay with learning as you go? Because that's been my whole year, like feeling like, half the time I'm like, Yes, this is amazing. And the other half the time I'm like, Oh my god, this is a clusterfuck. And this is so hard. And I don't know how to do it, and how am I going to do this, and I've really tried to embrace the Okay, you're never going to know everything, you're not going to be good at everything. And you have to just learn as you go. And that's what I do. And I just asked, I've always been someone who will reach out, I google it up, you know, try to figure it out. So with the website, I am having help with that my boyfriend is helping build that with me. And I'm rewriting and rewriting everything for it. And there's certain things that I know, I can know how to do. There's certain things that I I know I don't even want to learn how to do so the actual uploading of that. I know that and also like tagging the clothes and things like that for making things shoppable on the website. I'm not going to know how to do that. And it's also something I don't want to learn how to do be sure I have my time available to create content, and then be with my kids. Because I think that's that's the gift of why I'm doing what I'm doing right now is not to take away from being with my family because you know at 16 we probably only have them for like you said another I know I kept saying to my husband we have like two more summers with Jacob. That's so weird to me. Like how did that happen? It's Wait, so I'm enjoying it they still come home?

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or How old is your son now? 2222 Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine that. Now Dorothy with you with the technology thing like Lisa and I were saying before we started like that's probably one of the hardest parts for me in this whole journey. I know you do Instagram you have your lives with Steve which are hilarious. And you have the healer the the series called healers that you love. Can you tell us about the healers that you love and how you do Instagram lives without disconnecting? Oh, every five seconds? Gosh, I'm just you know, tech 101. As a matter of fact, I like to sit with Lisa because she knows a boatload more than I do. I love to chat with people who I think are you know, making the world slightly better place. So I just randomly occasionally do that. I probably shouldn't do it. In fact, you're motivating me. I do it as a regular thing. I know I just love like watch the conversation. Yeah.

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into talking about spirituality. And obviously everyone's definition of religion and spirituality are different. But I've read and I've seen you guys do some lives on meditation. So Dorothy, where do you find your cozy spirituality nest and I heard you talk about on one of your Instagram lives. Spiritual immunity. Yeah.

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Um, I actually did a meditation yesterday with some Elisa introduced me to

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these breathwork. Class Stephanie Garson. Oh, I actually funny, though, Lisa and I had a funny moment with her because we were doing meditation with her in person like the day before lockdown. Wow, that was kind of our lesson. I had a threesome The last time I saw three people I was related to was

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very meditative. recharging threesome, right. I think I've spent this year doing a lot of that, which, you know, that was one of the gifts that and my son was home a lot. And much like your 14 year old daughter cooks for you. My son's girlfriend is a really good cook. So it was a great heavy to kids home on every level. I know. It's amazing. I mean, that was that was a gift. You know, it was a crappy year in many ways. But But that was a gift. The kids were home a lot. Hey, Lisa, tell me how meditation plays into your life. What I do it almost every day in some form. So luckily, you know, as we talked about our lives going on our phones, there's apps that I use. So you know I first met Stephanie Carson who I introduced doors Dorothy to at unplugged meditation. I'm interviewing Susie tomorrow from on fire. Yeah, I had driven past unplug for a number of years wondering what is this thing unplug and then when, you know, it was the year that I was going through my divorce and just there was so much going on? I thought okay, I need to do something. And I've always been you know, my, my nightstand is always filled with like self help books and you know, 21 days to this or that or to my husband's like you need to Dewey Decimal System What's happening?

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Yeah, it's you know, it's not I somebody, I'll get back to reading like great books. But that's, that's where I am right now, they have been for a long time. And because I think we're just always on a quest for, for what is meant for us, and how we can best serve and how we can best get through a situation. And so during that year of still not having a job and divorce and all of that. I walked into unplug and never left and I would go to the facility almost every day. Wow. Then, you know, some days it would be harder than others. And then last year happened. And so I just do it on my iPhone. And I would do with Stephanie Carson, her actual, you know, live meditations that she would do. I did one on ones with her I did groups with her. And then also I just do like this morning I did there was the unplug, unplug has an app. I know I use it. I love it. Yeah, I did their 10 minute meditation this morning on having a heart full of love. You know, when it was just I just find for me, it's a nice way to start my day, my sleeping patterns are always going to be jacked up from having gotten up at 230 in the morning for most of my adult life. And so I always wake up earlier than everyone else. So for me, I come out in the couch, I take care of the dogs and then the dogs and I settle in on the couch, usually one like across my chest and one of them.

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And we little you know, sometimes it's just a five minute meditation, but it just a way to start my day, sometimes a journal not always so good at that. But I think I still probably much like Dorothy still trying to figure out what I'm going to do when I grow up. So you know, looking at these next phases in these next seasons of life, what I want to create what I want to take with me and what I want to help grow. Yeah, I also think it's about taking the time to create new rituals for yourself. Because what worked while my kids were younger is now different. Now they're not home as much anymore, except for the past year because they went back to school last week. Thankfully, they fully just in time for summer. But it is like folding in the making sure that you work out. And it's only been working out to be a supermodel it's working out just to move in to be healthy and to keep your shit together. I mean, that's how I see it. It's not about being perfect. It's just about wanting to feel good. Now, in terms of you guys, I mean, obviously for me, I've talked about this a lot in my podcasts like maintaining my inner and outer selves is important to me. I know not everyone cares about wearing makeup or not wearing makeup or getting Botox or not getting Botox. It doesn't matter where you are in that it just matters that you're doing what you want to be doing for you. I mean, obviously you guys are in the spotlight and have been in the spotlight for a long time. What do you guys do? I know that listeners will want the sort of beauty secrets of Lisa and Dorothy like what are your top beauty and exercise routines that we have to hear about? Dorothy?

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My, my exercise routine is embarrassing. I mean, I used to go to a bunch of classes that I loved but during lockdown, I would get on the treadmill and I walk

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westwing again, for probably the fourth time it was just I don't know. westwing is like my security blanket.

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We all have one. And for beauty I just I just did the micro needling, how often do you do the micro needling? Well, you know, it's kind of funny. This is this is the third one I've done. I when I was on TV, I did everything you could think of. I did every laser. I did peels I did a little Did you know my eyes twice? I did everything. And then, you know, I stopped and I probably didn't do anything for maybe seven years. And people said to me, You look better now. Like what is that about? What do I like better now? Is it Am I healthier? am I eating? less stress? I think that's a part of it, too. I think everything shows up on my face. I just have that kind of face. We realize how much stress we're walking around with in our daily lives.

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But after at the beginning of lockdown, all my friends got plastic surgery and I thought, oh my god, you guys are so superficial or read a pandemic, what do you do? And then I realized, oh my god, we're in a pandemic, this is the best time you could possibly do stuff. So I mean, so I went back to Dr. Wu, who we love, and she suggested a little micro needling. So I've been doing that. So that and there's a skincare line I love called Halo. And I posted about it many times because it was kind of a game changer for me. What are your favorite products? I use the stem cells. And I use the EGF oil and cream. Okay, because I'm gonna have to put that in the show notes. I'm not a healthy eater, although I'm trying to be better, please this is gonna intervene here. Lisa introduced me to fat bread which is the worst thing ever in the history of the world which is basically bread with like, what mayonnaise and cheese

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I could live on wine and fat bread candy I could live on you know, I always say I like seasonal foods like jelly beans around Easter. I'm not the healthiest person but I'm trying to be better. I know me too. And what about you Lisa? The only exercise that I have done for the past I think it's going on seven years 810 maybe 10 years now is plate fit. I love plate fit so I've never done that I keep seeing a lot of people posting about it. I got to get back to it. I loved it we used to do it together years ago yeah, that's how I first learned about it and it was called something else but plate fit is what I go to in Brentwood and I love them it's you know vibrational technology so you're getting at like an hour workout in is 27 minute periods. So that is what I've done. The only thing I've done over these years I thrown in some Pilates here and there. The past year when we were in major lockdown I was just doing zoom classes for a plate fit so it wasn't having the vibration but you know once they opened up at least out in the garage, I would go back and do that in beauty wise like like Dorothy I will do and try and neat things so even like a month ago I went my dermatologist is Dr. Karen Grossman. I know her too Oh yeah. is phenomenal. And I've been seeing her for 20 years since I first before I first came to I guess it's been more than 20 years like 21 years now. And because I first did a story on her for Fox and then she's done every laser on me Botox and a month ago she went and they took they found fat underneath my house and they took it and then they put it underneath my eyes so now my passes in my eyes

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I think we're gonna have to quote you on that Lisa My ass is in my eye. Okay, as I say this is a new beauty thing as

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yeah so they so that Yeah, they just take the fat and they spin it down and get the best parts of it and put it underneath there and then she like did a little laser over it so that I swear by for recovery on that Lisa I was swelling for a bit but also I just bruised and swell a lie no soda. Why Arnica. I just you know I think they gave you value and

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i don't know i don't whatever the cocktail of pills I took you know, but I was awake for it. You know? And we videotaped it I'm gonna do a full little story on it. I can't wait to read that did your ask at smaller when

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we get I know it is it is. But how do they show annoying that way? I know people who are born like that.

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But oh my friends. I will run into Lisa and then they all say to me whenever Lisa is doing due, at least is doing. Okay, let me find out. Well, we're gonna know all about it, Dorothy because it's all gonna be listed on the blog.

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Karen Grossman I've gone to nurse Jamie over the years for all types of lasers at it for beauty Park. The plastic surgeon who's fixed my nose now twice is Dr. Brent

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mullikin and his office that cloud Med Spa does great, you know, micro needling and all types of lasers and stuff. So I just did that all on rotation, you know, and I think that's not a function of me being in this town, or being a woman who spent her life on television. When I was in fourth grade, I was looking in reading about eye cream. So you know, and I have my mom who is eternally beautiful, and was always put together, and so perfect, you know, as a role model. So although most of the time I walk around unshowered, but you know, don't wait, oh, these days, it's so weird how we became like, unshowered beings, I, sometimes I shower in the morning before I work out, because I'm like, I don't sweat that much. And if I don't get the shower, and now it's never happening. Yes. So tell me, it's all.

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I think it's funny that you say about your mom. Least because my mom is like that, too. I mean, I always said my mom never left the house without makeup on. And it helps me in a way. That's me, although I have been changing over the year.

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But they would do my makeup at Fox at six in the morning. And then I would think all day, oh, I have makeup on. And then I look in the mirror at six at night realize, Oh, okay.

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It's

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so funny. Now, Lisa, I read that when you're starting your pivot after the fox situation, you worked with a life coach? Yes, I did. And I found that interesting, because I did too. And I talked about that in a lot of my episodes. So I want to hear just a quick little snippet on that. You know, I actually had started working with her before I left Fox, because I always knew and I think in television, you will always know especially as a woman that there is a shelf life. And so all of us would always talk Okay, what's your plan B gonna be what's what's going to be the next chapter for us? Because I think, you know, inherently, that, you know, there is going to be a next chapter there just has to be if that is your chosen career, and you know that going in, you know, so it's not like, it's a huge surprise. And so yeah, I just started working with her, just making sure that I felt like I was on track and always feeling as happy as I could be. And I think also I took home. And you know, over all the years of my career, I mean, I did a lot of entertainment, obviously, here in LA, but I also covered the worst of the worst of the worst. And, you know, I've witnessed an execution. And I've been locked down on death row while I was interviewing. So when he was about to get executed, I covered you know, horrible crime stories where you've seen little bodies of little babies being brought out from a dumpster landfill where their dad had left their little lifeless bodies after he had slit their throats like these are the types of stories and things that I've seen or the child porn that you're like, why would you let me walk into a room that looks like that after someone's in a big bus. So for me, I think I carried around a lot of that inside of me, even though I didn't know that that's what was on Dorothy's face in the makeup room, right? You carry around these stories. And so I just learned a lot of techniques on how to like how to detach myself, so that I didn't take that home with me so that you know, when I was going to work, and going to work in the middle of the night, or leaving them to go home, to be with small children to be able to give them my all, so it was helping me deal with that, and what I really wanted to do, and she, she was someone who really also encouraged me to just continue. And it's something that everyone said that I know, they have said to Dorothy too, was like, still continue to tell stories. Because I think that we were given a gift to be able to communicate and tell stories, tell other people's stories and tell our stories. And so I think that's one of the things that I tried to do with my blog. And even with my Instagram, now, I don't want to have to be just a pretty picture. In a pretty dress, I always want it to be something to educate, entertain, inform, you know, that's kind of how and hopefully entertained. So that's those are kind of the pillars that i i pivot around. And those are such amazing strategies and like a toolkit to have, especially in this past year where we're all left at home thinking like, how do I not watch the news? How do I not take in all of that negative energy all day long? Yeah, I used to say to my mom, like in the past few like year, I was like, Mom, please turn off the news. Don't call me and repeat the news to me. I already know what's happening. But I'm choosing not to watch it all day long. Because my central like nervous system is not tolerating it. And yours isn't either. So turn it off. Yeah, I would do this visualization where I would get in the elevator and I would pretend because we also don't listen people

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We're a little negative that we're in our space in our faces first thing in the morning as Dorothy will know. And so I always wanted to put like a protective bubble over me as I went in. So I always prayed for strength and grace, and that elevator ride up. And then in the elevator ride down, I was like a Dalmatian getting a shower and all the spots were coming off of me to just use those visualizations to help me other like umbilical cord detachments like, whatever, you know, weird energy that you needed to use, but that's what I use to help. And those are the things that I learned to help me through, you know, just being able to transition from news to back home to being a mom of babies. Right, Dorothy? What were your transitions, like, I love to teach. And I've been teaching college classes, occasionally adjunct professor at a couple of different places, and I was just talking to a Pepperdine class yesterday. And they asked me about that about how do you not live it and breathe it because I was a news reporter in New York. And then in LA when I first got here, and I think I told them this story. I think it all happened when I was covering a cop's funeral in New York, and it's at St. Patrick's Cathedral, and my dad had been a cop. So you know, obviously, I had some personal investment there. But at a police funeral in New York, 1000s of police officers show up. And so I'm in St. Patrick's Cathedral, and I don't know this family, but a policeman has shot and killed in the line of duty. And I'm standing, you know, kind of off to the side, and I'm covering this funeral. And they took the Father's heart and put it on his young, like, maybe seven year old son, and I burst into tears. And I didn't know these people and I thought I'm not compartmentalizing very well, I need to do something else. And I eventually ended up doing entertainment, which, you know, they get to dress up and go to the Oscars. Right. So that's, that's easier to compartmentalize. Yes. I think listening to you guys, I think I needed a life coach.

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I have functioned on as my own but it took way longer.

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No, I didn't. I talked about that. In my first episode with Angela Nazarian. Like, she was the one who said to me, Sarah, get a life coach. And I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about, like a therapist, but is it and it really is just sort of this accountability person who says like, Sarah, what's your next step? You're thinking the whole enchilada all at the same time? Like, how am I going to get this podcast to hear? And she's like, No, no, no, Sarah, what's the next step? What's the next step? And it sounds so basic, but it was so life changing for me? Yeah. I think something I've learned this year, you know, people always say happiness is a choice. And I guess it is, but people say that it sounds like just a little too, Pat. A little too easy. Yeah, I think what I finally realized this year is that you make a million choices during the day. So happiness isn't a choice. It's one of a million choices. So every little choice can be a step toward happiness a step in the right direction. And I think that's kind of what you're saying. It starts with little things, it starts with little steps. Yeah, and I totally agree with you. And I think all of us sort of being performance driven people. And it's like ratings and this and that, we forget that there's all these little things, and all these little pieces that work together to make the big choice, like the big happiness picture. I mean, I think at the end of the day, we all want to feel seen, we all want to feel heard. And we all want to have some kind of meaning in our lives, which typically comes from serving others or being a mom or doing something in your community. And I think all of us are in search of that in some capacity. Yeah. And as we look at is with Dorothy having a son gone down with you and me having children about to leave in two years. Yeah, really want to make sure that we have something lined up for that, for that next period, and about the happiness and joys of choice. I do believe that. But I do also believe in sitting in something for a moment, because there's anything that I hate more than being told, like if you're having a bad day about something, or you're feeling hurt about something, it's like when women hate to be told, just smile, you're not smiling, you should smile. And for me, it's the same way. It's like, I need to feel sad about something for a moment. I need it. I know I'm going to get to joy, but I'll get back to happy and I'll get it all right, my ship the right way. But like I always choose to allow myself I have to say gave me the grace to let me sit in this for a moment. And let me feel a certain way. And then I'll be fine. And I know that so yeah, that's why I admitted to after, after, you know, being fired. I admitted to sulking for a long time because yeah, there's a service at because I do consider myself a spiritual person. But I also go to church. So I know people are like, Oh, that's religious. Whatever it is. I go to church.

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ever it is after the fire, the Woolsey fire out here in Malibu, I remember our pastor saying, don't just say to your friends right away, you'll build back better, you know, sit with them for a while, like what Lisa is saying, it's good to encourage. But let them sit for a while and what they have to sit with, you know, the loss, the pain, whatever it is, let people feel it. And then you could start to slowly encourage them, you know, and I think that works for all of us. I just interviewed Steve leader who's a rabbi here in Los Angeles, who just who has a best selling book called The beauty that remains. And he talks about exactly that. And people saying, Well, I don't, I don't know what to do. And my friend's husband just died, or my friend's mother just died. And he said, You don't have to do anything. Just show up. Now just show up as who you are. And let that person talk. Just be you. And I think so many of us want to have a plan. I mean, I'm the queen of wanting a plan and wanting to control things, but you can't always control them. And I think that's for me than the second half of life. It's like, okay, be a more flexible control freak. And I think that's where the flexible, neurotic title came in. It's like, Yes, I am neurotic. But I have to learn to sort of lean into certain things and be a little bit more flexible, even though my husband and my kids would probably disagree.

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Yeah, that's their job. Now of you. Before we wrap up, I want to do a little rapid fire series that I call fun shit about Lisa and Dorothy. Some of the questions we've touched on a little bit, but here we go. Current mantra or saying that is getting you through the year and looking forward. Lisa? strength and grace. It's what I always pray for strength and grace. And did WTF Oh, it's so so we're always in conjunction and

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what the fuck, like 1000 times a day, but I also strengthen grace. Yes. I love that and your dog barks somebody's dog barking I love it. Dorothy. It's better than my son having a doorbell ring with Postmates Dorothy current mantra. Oh, my dogs over there looking.

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Like she's been so sick lately. I want to go Millie. I

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think she's

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you know, I think my changes all the time. I have taken this year also to I don't want to say a study A Course in Miracles because I'm way too blonde and shallow that. But I have been reading the workbook of A Course in Miracles. And hey, if you pay, I think it's the best 50 bucks I ever spent. Marianne Williamson will send you an email every day reading you the workbook for that day. And oh, it's the greatest thing ever go to her website. And of course in miracles will give you something that you're supposed to repeat to yourself all day long. And it's different every day. But it's things like, you know, God's wish for me is happiness.

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Or whatever it is keep you going. And it's basically just the whole thing is God wants you to be okay. He made you to be okay be okay. So I think I try and have whatever those words are in my head. And today it's you know, God wants your you to be happy. I like that sort of like Lisa and me with the unplugged meditation app. I feel like when you start it in the morning and you have it in the back of your head, your subconscious is running it. Okay, so next question. What's next on the bucket list? Lisa? happily, Lisa is relaunching? Yes. So the next couple of weeks that will be out as far as bucket list for Personally, I just want to get out and travel again. Yeah.

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I want to get out and have those experiences. I think travel is something that can never be taken away from you the memories of it. So I want to get back out with the kids and doing all of that, you know, and continue to launch the website and working with the amazing female brands that I'm working with. So awesome. Dorothy, yours is travel.

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Travel. And also I've been you know, working,

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not working very diligently working in quotes on a book proposal forever. So I would like to finish that and also the travel. One little tip for you guys. You have some time to plan this when your kids go off to school and this was my husband's idea and it was brilliant. Do not drop them off at school and come home to the empty house. We my son's freshman year, we dropped him at school and we basically came home got our suitcases that went to Italy and then I panicked and we got there I was like oh my god. How's he gonna buttons classes? Will it be able to get us books? He still needs me and you know what he did? Yeah, he was okay.

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So plan the trip. good tip. good tip. Okay, anything that you've learned that's now on your bucket list. After quarantine. I walked around without makeup without a bra in our way before quarantine made it past.

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You

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know, I mean, I learned that I just can do with a lot less. You know, I really learned to pare down during the past year. And I want to take some of that with me for sure. You know, taking if you looked at my nails right now, you would see that there are definitely things I've let go. Yeah, believe me, I know, one of mine just broke. Yeah, no, I agree with that. And I also think that COVID also gave us this time to think about all like, we think that it's COVID that created all of these sort of insecurities, or things that have been left undone, but a lot of it is things that we had before COVID, but we've just had the more time to think about it and the spotlights on so I mean, I have that conversation with my mom all the time. She's like COVID did this COVID did that I'm like COVID did a lot of things. But we both need to work out more stay hydrated, take more supplements, and those are all things that were pre COVID. So and I'd also say on my bucket list is I'm saying no more to things that I don't really want to be doing. Yeah, I say yes to new opportunities and things that can have synchronicity, and no to things that just don't have a good vibration for me. Yeah, and I'm getting better at that as I get older. So secret pleasures, Dorothy secret pleasure mines, many Twix bars. I hide mine in the closet. If we're talking junk food, you can't begin to compete with me.

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I'm the trans fat queen. Told you jelly beans and candy corn at Halloween. And those are my seasonal foods. I'm kind of a junk food person and I like my wine but but I'm trying to replace all that with more prayer and meditation and green tea. Lisa, what about you? Oh, you know what do you ever drink oolong tea? Oh, I have the best. I call it my skinny happy toe. It two O's No, no. No What was unique about it because I drink the pea green tea mood elevator and an appetite suppressant. Oh, wow. I'll be drinking that all day at least is writing it down.

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My secret? You know, I think I don't know. I think life everything is a pleasure. Like I don't really hide anything or have a secret like I like teenage shows that I make my daughter watch with me. She'll be like mom, you realize like all the advertising is for teenagers. I'm like, I know. But I like to live through these shows again. So I love shows like that. I have my favorite one. I really loved like Riverdale and I walk you got to I have to be honest. Yeah. I like the teenage bounty hunters that came out was only for one season. Oh, I didn't see through summer is out right now. Which is so good. Yeah, so I just my daughter and I that's what we get to do together. We You know, this past year. We've watched a lot of television so yeah, and food wise. I mean, I don't know I I go through. I make a weird thing. Like if I get cravings at nighttime and I don't really have anything to eat. I have peanut butter, melted butter, brown sugar and chocolate chips. Mix it all together. Wow. The chocolate because I don't want to share it with my kids that way. Well, I find stuff too. So no one gets to it. And I have cookies for coffee with coffee every morning. It's like a little cookie like it's a treat to myself. It's part of the ritual for me of getting up and then I have my meditation. Yeah, I was saying to someone yesterday that I feel like I need a nighttime ritual. I feel like I have a morning ritual like my coffee my coffee cup the whole thing but the nighttime one work with red wine as well at nighttime so just FYI. No buts. You know my nighttime ritual. Yeah, but wine for me keeps me awake. So it comes back to bite me in the ass. So I have to like come up with I was like okay, Is there like a creamy tea with like a biscotti or something like that? I need like something so I'm not diving into the cabinet to look forward to I drink mint tea with that awful French Vanilla creamer. So not exactly healthy, but like, my nighttime ritual is like I make sure the dog pees and I say my prayers. I do say my prayers and I'm like, Okay, that's good. Now, favorite beauty treatment. Lisa, if you had to pick one. Oh, gosh. I do love the micro needling. I think it's phenomenal. It would be good. And there's like some souped up micro needling procedures now you know that that have more injection sites and it's Yeah, so you know, I've done it a Jason Diamond's office. What's it called? Boy, his is the Insta facial where it's the whole thing where you get like the clear and brilliant lasering and you get the PRP and it's sort of like you're in a fight with a cactus but I do the numbing cream. Yeah, how often do you do PRP? I have not done it since probably earlier this year. But I also have done it on my hair a lot. I was going in every like month and a half for

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The PRP in the hair just because I had a lot of hair loss after my divorce and losing the job and all of that, and just also with hormones as well. Yeah, no, I I've actually done that two or three times. I'm trying to remember the name of the place. Where did you go? I went to a place on Montana. I've done it a movie Park. No, it wasn't beauty Park. It's another one. I have to think of the name of it, but I only did it twice or three times. So I couldn't really see the effects of it. No, I've done it multiple places in Beverly Hills at the club bed spa, which is at the plastic surgeon's office. Also, there's a doctor is up in Topanga Canyon, or yeah off the Topanga who she does it there she has a beauty spot is what it's called. And yeah, often do you feel like you have to do it to get results. That's like a pair is a big thing for me. Um, I think I did it like three years like if you do it at least three months in a row, you really start to see it. And then also I take supplements I had an endorsement deal with vivid scout earlier this year. And I was taking that I really liked it. I think that's and you can find that at Target. Yeah, I've seen that one. I've seen the new truffle one also. Okay one Whoo. Whoo things do you do Lucy blue? See, Dorothy you're having first names drives me? Wait, what? Who? Okay, what are some fun life? Yeah.

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You do it. Lots of woowoo things especially now. I mean, I do meditation. I like a sound bath. Oh, I've gotten pretty woowoo in my old I know. I do too. I feel like my husband is like what's happening to her? There's a lot of whoo shit going on over here. What about you, Lisa? Sound baths breathwork all of the different meditations. I don't know if like have been your vagina steam counts as that but it

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does count. It does count data to place that Gwyneth Paltrow may famous in Ghana, like the V spa, or did I make that up? It's a Korean spa. And it's a beast theme is what they owe via Steam. That's it. Okay. Yeah, I know. All about the faces on the vagina. There's a lot of vagina like applications and procedures and exercises you can do. I never knew until I interviewed Dr. Sherry Ross that like you're supposed to treat your vagina like your face. Yeah. I mean, yeah, you have to listen to episode focusing only on one end, I guess. Yeah. You have to listen to Episode Four. Because it's like you're supposed to moisturize I mean, do exercises. I mean, there's a whole listen to your episode with the plastic surgeon. Of course, I listen to that course. You listen to that. I mean, who wouldn't listen to Jason diamond. Okay, favorite TV show, Dorothy? Oh, I watch way too much news. Ah, I know. Sorry. It's just to have that I'm a news junkie. You know? Damn, it's still I believe I already confessed to you. I just finished watching West Wing for at least the fourth time.

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Lisa, do you have a favorite TV show? Currently we're watching krill summer and the Nevers, which is on HBO love that. They've again taken in so much this past year. And then when they do that was amazing little fires everywhere so good with risk weathers I watched that that was really good morning show. I watched that. That must have hit home for both of you. The first seen the first episode, I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to watch this.

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Amazing. Okay, Dorothy, what was the last thing you ordered from Amazon? I just ordered these things. And they don't always have them which normally Amazon has everything. It's a little probiotic. But you know, my candy obsession. It's chocolate. With a little mint. It almost tastes like a Girl Scout cookie, but it is a probiotic. And it's called and I think I bought it twice before I even noticed it's called Good day, which cracks me? Oh, that's funny. She was mad.

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I couldn't even say the words good de la out loud when I was talking. But now my probiotic is called Good day. Oh my gosh. What about you, Lisa, have you order anything from Amazon lately? Amazon might be one of my closest friends like Amazon visits multiple times in a day, a shower cover for it because I have to have this IV because I just had this weird infection and so I have to IV for another week. So to shower. You can't get it wet. So one of those. I know that well because I broke my wrist. Right before Thanksgiving. And I had a cast for two months and I had one of those monster plastic sleeves on. Yeah. And they're like it's like so irritating.

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And you're like, Is it gonna get wet? Is it not gonna get wet? Oh, gross, diving off in such a weird direction.

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We talked about many kids a charity work but so at one point, I was the backup family but the twins from Ethiopia who had horrible head malformations both had surgery on both

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Their hands. So you have two teenage boys who can't use their hands. Can you imagine my girlfriend and I tried to help her out a little bit. But it wasn't it wasn't just putting bags over them for the shower. It was way more involved. It was a whole situation. Oh my gosh, well, at least your mother. So you've been there done that. Now intuition. Lisa was is that natural for you? Or is that something you worked at? And do you listen to it? Yeah. I always have the gut feelings, usually. And I think you're always shown who people are. It's just whether or not you choose to listen to it. So yeah, I agree with you. Especially having a middle school daughter. I'm like, they shows you their true colors. Yeah, she's like, I know. I'm like that shit never changes. It doesn't mean don't forgive. It just means no to sound. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And what about you, Dorothy? I think I've pretty good intuition. But then I get annoyed because my husband Lisa Breck, much like Steve Edwards can always read people. He has a weird ability to read people. My husband's kind of like that, too. And I always think my intuition is better. And then normally, he's right. And I'm less right, but I listen to.

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Maybe it's because you've been married for so long, too long. What's the smallest thing that we can do to start moving towards our self recreation journey? I hate the word of visualization. Mm hmm. manifestation because I know they're hard. They're hard. They're so overused. But it's what I've always done. Even before I knew it was the thing, like I've always had the ability to picture and really imagine it happening. And I did that for all for when I decided to get into this business. And I think like, just taking time each morning, when you're doing whatever it is that you're doing to get yourself through your day, if you can take just even two minutes to like, think about everything that you're thankful and grateful for I literally go through that list over two minutes. And then I also picture how I want my life in in 10 years, as if it's already happened. Does that make sense? Yeah, no, it makes complete sense. I mean, when my kids get work now and then, yeah, when my kids get home from school, and I actually get like, maybe a morsel of information and my daughter's like, and then this happened, this happened, I go, okay, just tell me like two or three, good things that happen. They don't have to be amazing, just like you like the way that your lunch smelled something because I think sometimes we get so bogged down in everything that went wrong. And especially in middle school, that I'm like, okay, there's three positive things must have happened to you today. So she's like, Oh, my God, don't make me do that again. But I'm trying to train myself and her to like, try to find those little things and visualize the best things. I totally agree with you. What would your bottom line advice be on finding the sweet spot in the second half of life? I just think it's never too late for anything. It's never too late. to try something new. It's never too late to take on a new skill, a new a new job, a new hobby. It's just never too late. Dorothy, you know, when you guys talk about visualization, I've been listening to Dr. Joe dispenza. Oh, I love him. I'm not great at the visualization. He says, like you were saying, Lisa, if you can picture it, your body begins to feel as if it's already happening. So you're already happier and healing just by visualizing something. I have to work on that and get better at it. For me. I think it's just little, little tiny decisions, little little decisions all day that are a step in the right direction. You know, am I gonna Am I going to write today? Or am I going to scroll through Instagram? Am I going to go workout or am I going to have a glass of wine? I think it's just little, little decisions, and I'm not going to be perfect every day. Oh, yeah. No judgment if you want the wind because that's that's me, you know, seven days a week. But sometimes when I make a different decision, I realize I'm a little happier, go outside. You know, yeah, I could walk. I think sometimes it's 10 minutes outside. Yeah, sometimes it's hard to stop and remember the small wins. Like the choice to write the book that day, you know, even if it's only one or two times in the week, and I think that's sort of this whole like midlife remix journey for me too, is not every day is gonna be the most productive day of my life. Like some days you wake up and you're like, Oh, I'm just not feeling this and some days you're like, yes, I'm gonna win it. And I think for our listeners and for myself, it's just about being okay with it not being 100% all the time and getting comfortable in the uncomfortable like Lisa said earlier, because we have to sit in the mess sometimes. And I okay, at the end of the day, when I say my prayers at the end of the day, I do like to think about Did I do something today that made somebody else happier that I do.

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Something today that made me happier. You know, I it's like when you do to your kid I kind of forced myself to do that just think she's gonna do anything. And then during COVID during quarantine, I had my whole family write out three things on little pieces of paper and put in the jar. And they're like, is this gonna be on your podcast? And I'm like, just do it. And then it got really funny because my husband would write things like we got a new hose, and I loved it because I could like spray the patio and I was like, Okay, I want to make fun of him. But, and I know he's sort of making fun of me, but he obviously clearly likes that hose. So I'm just going to go with that and be okay with that. I firmly believe that you change the world and I always say save the world. But you know, you change the world incrementally. So yeah, I think little, little, little things, little decisions that are important. Okay, I have loved talking with you guys today. So now that we've shoveled our shit in the midlife remix today, I hope you have loved Lisa and Dorothy's golden life nuggets as much as I have the said, Dorothy, I have loved digging deep with you with our golden shit shovels today on this podcast. If listeners want to find you, Lisa, where can they find you? On Instagram? It's the sub Breckinridge. My website is happily, Lisa. Dorothy, Instagram is Dorothy underscore Lucy. Twitter is Dorothy Lucy and my website is Dorothy lucy.com. But I haven't done much lately. I'm inspired now to do more.

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That's what we're all supposed to be doing here is normalizing inspiring the self recreation process in the second half of life. I want everyone to think about what shit they can start doing today. One small step. I want to thank Lisa and Dorothy for sharing why owning yourself and female power is important, especially with Hollywood and social media pressures, and how we can sell free create after the first career ends. We become empty nesters or just looking for the next thing and the midlife remix and make a huge personal pivot. Not easy, but doable. Thank you Lisa Breckinridge and Dorothy Lucy, thank you for having Thank you. It's so fun having you sending kisses Talk to you soon. Thank you